Spirits...

[Franken]

Well, me and my friend Samantha were out driving around down by the Avenues the other day when we were right next to the cemitary late at night and decided to go walk around inside when the strangest thing happenned. We were about in the middle of the cemitary (where we happenned to see President Hinckley's wife's grave btw, but that has nothing to do with the story) when we saw this guy jogging. Now of course we were both a little scared cause who goes jogging in the cemitary at midnight? But what was stranger is that we watched him jog down the road, he went past a few trees, and then he was gone, just wasn't there.

Now I'm pretty sure my eyes weren't decieving me, and so my question is here (We got to thinking about it), is it possible that spirits could in a sense walk the earth, or be seen as such?

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 6 2005, 07:17 PM

is it possible that spirits could in a sense walk the earth, or be seen as such?

Why not? Didn't you see "The Sixth Sense?"

[Snow]

Yes, it's all true. That's the SL Cementary Jogger. When he is not jogging, he practices Spectral Denistry in Murray.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 6 2005, 06:17 PM

Now I'm pretty sure my eyes weren't decieving me, and so my question is here (We got to thinking about it), is it possible that spirits could in a sense walk the earth, or be seen as such?

Let me get this straight. The choice is between is between your eyes being mistaken in the dark and jogging ghosts?

er, whatever.

[Franken]

haha well I suppose it is. But no seriously don't you think it could be slightly possible?

[Blessed]

I believe that it is possible.

[StrawberryFields]

Most of the spirits I have witnessed have been "heard" and "felt". I will have to think hard as to if I have actually "seen" a spirit.

Now my question to you would be what on earth would you be doing in a cemetery at midnight? Maybe that would be my problem of not actually seeing a spirit.

[john doe]

I have a hard time with the idea that a spirit would hang around a cemetary. What's the point, to visit their rotted remains? Do they have boundaries that they can't get too far from their burial place? Wouldn't they be happier at an ice cream joint? Or watching their families?

[Cal]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 6 2005, 08:40 PM

haha well I suppose it is.  But no seriously don't you think it could be slightly possible?

Why is it anymore possible that the little green aliens that live in my refrigerator? And why haven't we been talking about Casper? Has anyone seen him lately?

[Franken]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Feb 6 2005, 10:20 PM

Most of the spirits I have witnessed have been "heard" and "felt". I will have to think hard as to if I have actually "seen" a spirit.

Now my question to you would be what on earth would you be doing in a cemetery at midnight? Maybe that would be my problem of not actually seeing a spirit.

Well, I've heard of a few people who've had experiences of the like, but I suppose there's no real church outline on if it is possible then.

To your question, well... we were just driven around, and thought it'd be a fun experience to at least say you've done once in your life. Definately wouldn't do it again because it was pretty freaky, but yeah.

[Blessed]

I leave on Feb 19th for an eskimo yup'ik bush village in western alaska. There the whole village believe in ghosts. I will just say that the last time I was there... it made me a beliver as well. Don't ask... cause I ain't saying why!

[pushka]

I think it is possible that you saw something, nothing to prove you didn't anyway...although when we are in a situation where we expect to see something, our minds can often fool us into thinking that we had seen something. Either that or that bloke just enjoyed a quiet jog at night, might have been shy...lol, and was it dark? Don't we just seem to fade into the trees when the darkness surrounds us...he might have thought you two were spirits!!!

As for walking around cemetries, I love them...I enjoy walking around the tombstones, reading the epitaphs and seeing at what age people died from different centuries...but then I have a morbid interest in Social History, mortality rates and such :)

[Franken]

Originally posted by pushka@Feb 7 2005, 06:11 PM

I think it is possible that you saw something, nothing to prove you didn't anyway...although when we are in a situation where we expect to see something, our minds can often fool us into thinking that we had seen something. Either that or that bloke just enjoyed a quiet jog at night, might have been shy...lol, and was it dark? Don't we just seem to fade into the trees when the darkness surrounds us...he might have thought you two were spirits!!!

As for walking around cemetries, I love them...I enjoy walking around the tombstones, reading the epitaphs and seeing at what age people died from different centuries...but then I have a morbid interest in Social History, mortality rates and such :)

lol well that's true it was pretty dark. Although there were a few streetlights round. It'd be scarier at like a cemetary that's in the middle of nowhere, no lights, on a dark and windy day. Now that'd be fun. That guy we saw probably did think we were spirits and decided to jog faster in the opposite direction or something.

Hey we did see a deer though! That was pretty real.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 6 2005, 07:40 PM

haha well I suppose it is. But no seriously don't you think it could be slightly possible?

Less than slightly possible.

I am not a physicist but I generally understand that we visually percieve the world as electomagnetic radiation bounces off of physical objects and the reflected light is sensed through the cones and rods in the eyes. A ghost wouldn't have anything to it for the light to bounce off of.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 6 2005, 08:17 PM

Well, me and my friend Samantha were out driving around down by the Avenues the other day when we were right next to the cemitary late at night and decided to go walk around inside when the strangest thing happenned.  We were about in the middle of the cemitary (where we happenned to see President Hinckley's wife's grave btw, but that has nothing to do with the story) when we saw this guy jogging.  Now of course we were both a little scared cause who goes jogging in the cemitary at midnight?  But what was stranger is that we watched him jog down the road, he went past a few trees, and then he was gone, just wasn't there.

Now I'm pretty sure my eyes weren't decieving me, and so my question is here (We got to thinking about it), is it possible that spirits could in a sense walk the earth, or be seen as such?

Maybe the guy just stopped behind a tree to go~?

Then there is always the possibility that it was a dead guy trying to get his spiritual muscles to be mocho for the spirit chicks~?

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Amillia@Feb 7 2005, 11:32 PM

Maybe the guy just stopped behind a tree to go~?

Then there is always the possibility that it was a dead guy trying to get his spiritual muscles to be mocho for the spirit chicks~?

Lol! That was funny!

[neo_xero8]

This is deep gospel doctrine! LoL. Can spirits walk the Earth? Well, one of the general authorities, I'm not sure when or where or who, talked about going to a Stake center one night, only to be rebuked by his ancestors for not pursing his family history and temple work. That particular story in itself proves that it IS possible, I also remember hearing another story about going to a stake center or some other church building, and beings resembling Stripling warriors guarding all the doors. These are storys i've heard in CHURCH, not on the internet, or from other members, but stories i've heard told in Sacrament meeting.

I personally believe that spirits that people see, are either: A)Spirits of the devil, B) Spirits of those who have accepted the truth, but have not recieved their baptism or temple ordinacnes, or C) another possiblility i haven't even thought of yet.

[Snow]

Originally posted by neo_xero8@Feb 10 2005, 04:31 PM

This is deep gospel doctrine! LoL. Can spirits walk the Earth? Well, one of the general authorities, I'm not sure when or where or who, talked about going to a Stake center one night, only to be rebuked by his ancestors for not pursing his family history and temple work. That particular story in itself proves that it IS possible,

That doesn't prove jack squat. It could have been nothing more than a fully self materializing display of ectoplasmic kinesis; that or diaphoretic prolepsis anticipated by the person in question, duh.

[Franken]

God works in mysterious ways, and as we all know through God anything is possible so what's to say it couldn't happen? I think this is just one of those mysteries that is left a mystery until we make it back.

[neo_xero8]

As a Senior missionary in my Branch always asks whenever I get off topic, "Is what you want to know essential to your eternal salvation?"

In this sense I'd be hard pressed to answer in the negative, to which he would respond, "Well then you don't need to know it."

And if ectoplasmic kinesis were the case, there would be a spirit behind it and it would have been a vision, b/c that's how I'm interpreting ectoplasmic kinesis here, and the way I interpret diaphoretic prolepsis is, it was his imagination. Either way, I'm sure the person in question must have had been touched by the Spirit to offer up such a story to the general population of the church. I'm not arguing Snow, just another point of view.

[Cal]

Originally posted by neo_xero8@Feb 10 2005, 05:31 PM

This is deep gospel doctrine! LoL. Can spirits walk the Earth? Well, one of the general authorities, I'm not sure when or where or who, talked about going to a Stake center one night, only to be rebuked by his ancestors for not pursing his family history and temple work. That particular story in itself proves that it IS possible, I also remember hearing another story about going to a stake center or some other church building, and beings resembling Stripling warriors guarding all the doors. These are storys i've heard in CHURCH, not on the internet, or from other members, but stories i've heard told in Sacrament meeting.

I personally believe that spirits that people see, are either: A)Spirits of the devil, B) Spirits of those who have accepted the truth, but have not recieved their baptism or temple ordinacnes, or C) another possiblility i haven't even thought of yet.

That particular story in itself proves that it IS possible,

Proves what? All it proves is that the GA has a vivid imagination. People hear and see all kinds of things that aren't there. There is plenty of documented evidence of people sensing things that don't really exist. We see what we expect to see and sense what we expect to sense. It doens't mean that it was a supernatural source--the human mind is capable of plenty of imaginations without resort to some "other world" explanation. Cada cabeza es un mundo.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Cal@Feb 11 2005, 10:15 AM

Proves what? All it proves is that the GA has a vivid imagination. People hear and see all kinds of things that aren't there.

I agree. Maybe his experience was truly "supernatural", but he may also have simply had a guilty conscience about his neglect of temple work for his own kin. There are all kinds of factors that could simulate spiritual experiences (including hormones.) I had a similar experience. I felt my grandmother literally kick my butt off the couch for not doing her work. I proceeded to do it. Looking back though, I realize two things:

1. I was pregnant, and

2. I was pregnant.

Need I say more?

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 10 2005, 09:31 PM

God works in mysterious ways, and as we all know through God anything is possible so what's to say it couldn't happen? I think this is just one of those mysteries that is left a mystery until we make it back.

Did it have a purpose? God doesn't do anything that doesn't have a divine purpose.

[Amillia]

Originally posted by Cal+Feb 11 2005, 11:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Feb 11 2005, 11:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--neo_xero8@Feb 10 2005, 05:31 PM

This is deep gospel doctrine! LoL. Can spirits walk the Earth? Well, one of the general authorities, I'm not sure when or where or who, talked about going to a Stake center one night, only to be rebuked by his ancestors for not pursing his family history and temple work. That particular story in itself proves that it IS possible, I also remember hearing another story about going to a stake center or some other church building, and beings resembling Stripling warriors guarding all the doors. These are storys i've heard in CHURCH, not on the internet, or from other members, but stories i've heard told in Sacrament meeting.

I personally believe that spirits that people see, are either:    A)Spirits of the devil, B) Spirits of those who have accepted the truth, but have not recieved their baptism or temple ordinacnes, or C) another possiblility i haven't even thought of yet.

That particular story in itself proves that it IS possible,

Proves what? All it proves is that the GA has a vivid imagination. People hear and see all kinds of things that aren't there. There is plenty of documented evidence of people sensing things that don't really exist. We see what we expect to see and sense what we expect to sense. It doens't mean that it was a supernatural source--the human mind is capable of plenty of imaginations without resort to some "other world" explanation. Cada cabeza es un mundo.

Who created the human mind to bring forth such wonders? and at such timely times. Maybe we were preprogrammed before we came down here to have such experiences through our brain. hmmmm?

[Snow]

Originally posted by curvette@Feb 11 2005, 10:27 AM

1. I was pregnant, and

2. I was pregnant.

Need I say more?

Well - no, you needn't, however we would prefer if you did. For example, you could say this:

A sign in the Bank Lobby reads: "Please note that this Bank is

installing new "Drive-through" teller machines enabling customers to

withdraw cash without leaving their vehicles. Customers using this new

facility are requested to use the procedures outlined below when

accessing their accounts. After months of careful research, MALE &

FEMALE procedures have been developed. Please follow the appropriate

steps for your gender."

MALE PROCEDURE

1. Drive up to the cash machine.

2. Put down your car window.

3. Insert card into machine and enter PIN.

4. Enter amount of cash required and withdraw.

5. Retrieve card, cash and receipt.

6. Put window up.

7. Drive off.

FEMALE PROCEDURE

1. Drive up to cash machine.

2. Reverse and back up the required amount to align car window with the machine.

3. Set parking brake, put the window down.

4. Find handbag, remove all contents on to passenger seat to locate card.

5. Tell person on cell phone you will call them back and hang up.

6. Attempt to insert card into machine.

7. Open car door to allow easier access to machine due to its excessive distance from the car.

8. Insert card.

9. Re-insert card the right way.

10. Dig through handbag to find diary with your PIN written on the inside back page.

11. Enter PIN.

12. Press cancel and re-enter correct PIN.

13. Enter amount of cash required.

14. Check makeup in rear view mirror.

15. Retrieve cash and receipt.

16. Empty handbag again to locate wallet and place cash inside.

17. Write deposit amount in check register and place receipt in back of checkbook.

18. Re-check makeup.

19. Drive forward 2 feet.

20. Reverse back to cash machine.

21. Retrieve card.

22. Re-empty hand bag, locate card holder, and place card into the slot provided.

23. Give appropriate one-fingered hand signal to irate male driver waiting behind you.

24. Restart stalled engine and pull off.

25. Redial person on cell phone.

26. Drive for 2 to 3 miles.

27. Release Parking Brake.