Spirits...

[Snow]

Originally posted by neo_xero8@Feb 11 2005, 04:55 AM

I'm not arguing Snow, just another point of view.

Okay,

My point was that your story doesn't prove anything - not that I don't believe it, just that nothing is PROVED.

[pushka]

Originally posted by neo_xero8@Feb 11 2005, 05:55 AM

As a Senior missionary in my Branch always asks whenever I get off topic, "Is what you want to know essential to your eternal salvation?"

In this sense I'd be hard pressed to answer in the negative, to which he would respond, "Well then you don't need to know it."

Seems like the usual, brush off when presented with a difficult to answer question...say it doesn't matter what the answer is and just ignore the question...not good!!

FEMALE PROCEDURE

1. Drive up to cash machine.

2. Reverse and back up the required amount to align car window with the machine.

3. Set parking brake, put the window down.

4. Find handbag, remove all contents on to passenger seat to locate card.

5. Tell person on cell phone you will call them back and hang up.

6. Attempt to insert card into machine.

7. Open car door to allow easier access to machine due to its excessive distance from the car.

8. Insert card.

9. Re-insert card the right way.

10. Dig through handbag to find diary with your PIN written on the inside back page.

11. Enter PIN.

12. Press cancel and re-enter correct PIN.

13. Enter amount of cash required.

14. Check makeup in rear view mirror.

15. Retrieve cash and receipt.

16. Empty handbag again to locate wallet and place cash inside.

17. Write deposit amount in check register and place receipt in back of checkbook.

18. Re-check makeup.

19. Drive forward 2 feet.

20. Reverse back to cash machine.

21. Retrieve card.

22. Re-empty hand bag, locate card holder, and place card into the slot provided.

23. Give appropriate one-fingered hand signal to irate male driver waiting behind you.

24. Restart stalled engine and pull off.

25. Redial person on cell phone.

26. Drive for 2 to 3 miles.

27. Release Parking Brake.

Snow...you naughty man!! That was a brilliant, if a tad sexist, post!!! LOL

[pushka]

Oooh, sorry about the way that quote was posted...I thought it would enter them as 2 separate quotes..2nd one was from Snow of course!! :)

[Snow]

Pushka,

I edited your post to fix the quote. Hope that's the way you wanted it.

[pushka]

Thank you Snow...that's perfect...now if you could post me instructions so that I can do that in future, it would be great!!! Thanks a bunch

[Snow]

You can edit your own post by clicking the Edit button to the upper right of your post.

Text to be quoted needs to start with [quote and end with [/quote

note: I left of the close-brackets at the end of [quote and the end [/quote

I have edited my post because Jenda hates me.

[pushka]

Thanks Snow!!

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Snow@Feb 11 2005, 08:45 PM

You can edit your own post by clicking the Edit button to the upper right of your post.

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I'm not sure this post got the idea across.

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Snow+Feb 11 2005, 07:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 11 2005, 07:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--curvette@Feb 11 2005, 10:27 AM

1. I was pregnant, and

2. I was pregnant.

Need I say more?

Well - no, you needn't, however we would prefer if you did. For example, you could say this:

Blaugh, blaugh, blaugh...

Thank you for saying that Snow. Everynight I lie awake and lament the fact that you dumped me all those years ago. Then you go and say something so completely...RANDOM. Then my eyes are opened and I feel glad. :) (was that you behind me at the ATM?)

[Amillia]

OOOPS! wrong thread!

[Snow]

Originally posted by curvette@Feb 11 2005, 09:11 PM

Thank Snow Everynight and feel glad :) for my eyes lie. I awake so completely that you opened me and I lament that you dumped the ATM then go say something, saying for me and all the years... Then are you behind the fact that was at those, that was ago?

RANDOM

[Guest curvette]

Originally posted by Snow+Feb 11 2005, 10:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 11 2005, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--curvette@Feb 11 2005, 09:11 PM

Thank Snow Everynight and feel glad :) for my eyes lie. I awake so completely that you opened me and I lament that you dumped the ATM then go say something, saying for me and all the years...  Then are you behind the fact that was at those, that was ago?

RANDOM

Oh, you are naughty! Off to the Super Nanny with you!

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 10 2005, 08:31 PM

God works in mysterious ways, and as we all know through God anything is possible so what's to say it couldn't happen? I think this is just one of those mysteries that is left a mystery until we make it back.

Very well said Franken, and I agree with you. I believe that people can see ghosts, spirits, what have you. Being truthful here, not sarcastic. Lots of things happen that we can't explain. Things we will find out later.

[Snow]

Originally posted by lindy9556+Feb 13 2005, 11:56 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy9556 @ Feb 13 2005, 11:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Franken@Feb 10 2005, 08:31 PM

God works in mysterious ways, and as we all know through God anything is possible so what's to say it couldn't happen?  I think this is just one of those mysteries that is left a mystery until we make it back.

Very well said Franken, and I agree with you. I believe that people can see ghosts, spirits, what have you.

And the two of you think that one of the mysterious ways that God works is by making people believe they have seen a jogging ghost in the cemetary?

Sheeze Loueeeze.

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Snow@Feb 11 2005, 08:45 PM

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Franken]

Originally posted by Snow+Feb 13 2005, 06:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 13 2005, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -lindy9556@Feb 13 2005, 11:56 AM

<!--QuoteBegin--Franken@Feb 10 2005, 08:31 PM

God works in mysterious ways, and as we all know through God anything is possible so what's to say it couldn't happen?  I think this is just one of those mysteries that is left a mystery until we make it back.

Very well said Franken, and I agree with you. I believe that people can see ghosts, spirits, what have you.

And the two of you think that one of the mysterious ways that God works is by making people believe they have seen a jogging ghost in the cemetary?

Sheeze Loueeeze.

Well maybe God just wants us to keep an open mind eh? and needs to remind us every once in a while.

[Snow]

Originally posted by Franken@Feb 13 2005, 07:33 PM

Well maybe God just wants us to keep an open mind eh?

I am sure that he does and I am equally sure that he doesn't accomplish that by making us believe that we see ghosts jogging in cemetaries.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Snow+Feb 13 2005, 06:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 13 2005, 06:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -lindy9556@Feb 13 2005, 11:56 AM

<!--QuoteBegin--Franken@Feb 10 2005, 08:31 PM

God works in mysterious ways, and as we all know through God anything is possible so what's to say it couldn't happen?  I think this is just one of those mysteries that is left a mystery until we make it back.

Very well said Franken, and I agree with you. I believe that people can see ghosts, spirits, what have you.

And the two of you think that one of the mysterious ways that God works is by making people believe they have seen a jogging ghost in the cemetary?

Sheeze Loueeeze.

Who are we to say what mysterious ways God works in?

And Snow.....are you saying that those who do baptism for the dead are lying when they say that they saw images, or spirits of those they had baptized?

And hey.....if spirits can help pull wagons....why can't they jog a little around the cemetary if they wish?

[Snow]

Originally posted by lindy9556+Feb 13 2005, 08:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lindy9556 @ Feb 13 2005, 08:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Feb 13 2005, 06:04 PM

And the two of you think that one of the  mysterious ways that God works is by making people believe they have seen a jogging ghost in the cemetary?

Sheeze Loueeeze.

Who are we to say what mysterious ways God works in?

Who are we?

We are reasonably intelligent human beings who no longer live in the Dark Ages shackled by the bonds of ignorance and supersitition.

P.S. Do they still burn witches?

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Snow+Feb 13 2005, 10:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Snow @ Feb 13 2005, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by -lindy9556@Feb 13 2005, 08:16 PM

<!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Feb 13 2005, 06:04 PM

And the two of you think that one of the  mysterious ways that God works is by making people believe they have seen a jogging ghost in the cemetary?

Sheeze Loueeeze.

Who are we to say what mysterious ways God works in?

Who are we?

We are reasonably intelligent human beings who no longer live in the Dark Ages shackled by the bonds of ignorance and supersitition.

P.S. Do they still burn witches?

I will give you that one....I agree that "we" as a people, are reasonably intelligent human beings.......

I don't believe that they burn "witches" any longer.

and I do believe you failed to answer my second question

[Snow]

I didn't answer your question because it was a 'bad' question. When you ask if I think they are lying, you presuppose that deceit is the only possible explanation implied by my skepticism. Surely there are other possibilities... ie confusion, wishful thinking, dreams, visions, semi-hypnotic states brought one by religious fervor.

Think about the laws of nature for a second. Light can't be reflected off a non-physical entity, ergo... you can't see no ghost.

[Lindy]

Fair enough, thank you for answering, although I didnt' think it was a "bad" question at all.

Maybe I have based some of my faith on the testimonies of people who are confused, dreamers, or religious nuts. Maybe it's time to rethink what I really believe.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Snow@Feb 14 2005, 02:06 AM

I didn't answer your question because it was a 'bad' question. When you ask if I think they are lying, you presuppose that deceit is the only possible explanation implied by my skepticism. Surely there are other possibilities... ie confusion, wishful thinking, dreams, visions, semi-hypnotic states brought one by religious fervor.

Think about the laws of nature for a second. Light can't be reflected off a non-physical entity, ergo... you can't see no ghost.

Hi Snow,

What about the 'personage(s)' that Joseph Smith saw, telling him to join none of the churches?

If you truly believe your scientific argument, there is no way you can believe in the LDS church, or any other churches for that matter.

[Snow]

Originally posted by shanstress70+Feb 14 2005, 04:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ Feb 14 2005, 04:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Snow@Feb 14 2005, 02:06 AM

I didn't answer your question because it was a 'bad' question. When you ask if I think they are lying, you presuppose that deceit is the only possible explanation implied by my skepticism. Surely there are other possibilities... ie confusion, wishful thinking, dreams, visions, semi-hypnotic states brought one by religious fervor.

Think about the laws of nature for a second. Light can't be reflected off a non-physical entity, ergo... you can't see no ghost.

Hi Snow,

What about the 'personage(s)' that Joseph Smith saw, telling him to join none of the churches?

If you truly believe your scientific argument, there is no way you can believe in the LDS church, or any other churches for that matter.

No - Joseph Smith didn't see ghost. He saw actual beings made of flesh and blood. Flesh, being physical material is capable of reflecting light.

Lindy,

I didn't like your question just because it didn't allow choices beyond dishonesty.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Snow@Feb 14 2005, 10:05 AM

No - Joseph Smith didn't see ghost. He saw actual beings made of flesh and blood. Flesh, being physical material is capable of reflecting light.

Oh, you were talking about that version of the first vision. I was speaking of the version where the angel (or in some accounts angels) visited Joseph. I don't think angels are made of flesh and blood, but maybe according to some they are.