LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 That’s right, the lights on the Salt Lake Temple will be turned off from 8:30 - 9:30 pm tomorrow (Saturday) according to LDS Church spokesman Scott Trotter.He is quoted in the Salt Lake Tribune today as saying, "Prudent stewardship and wise use of resources are principles that Church leaders have emphasized throughout the history of the Church. The Church encourages its members to join with their fellow citizens in supporting worthy programs that will make their communities better places to live and raise their families."ArticleI think this is a great idea. You can find out more about Earth Hour over here. :) Quote
LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 Nuttiness never takes a break....Why do you feel this is wrong? Quote
Jbs2763 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 uhm..how much you wanna bet crime increases sharply? oh, all the lights are off?? lets go rob something!! Quote
LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 uhm..how much you wanna bet crime increases sharply? oh, all the lights are off?? lets go rob something!!According to the SLT article, only the highlighting temple lights are going off. The streetlights are more than likely going to stay on. Quote
bytor2112 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Why do you feel this is wrong?to make a global statement of concern about climate change and to demonstrate commitment to finding solutions.Because I think concern over climate change is a scam. Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 I've got no problem with it. It would probably be a more meaningful gesture if the display were planned for a little later than 15 minutes after Civil Twilight ends. At 8:30 I don't think it will be that dark yet. Though, the more I reflect, the Church is basically 1) acknowledging that there's a problem, and 2) that its practice of lighting up its temples is significantly contributing to the problem. I wonder if this won't come back to bite us in the future. Quote
Jbs2763 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 I've got no problem with it. It would probably be a more meaningful gesture if the display were planned for a little later than 15 minutes after Civil Twilight ends. At 8:30 I don't think it will be that dark yet.Though, the more I reflect, the Church is basically 1) acknowledging that there's a problem, and 2) that its practice of lighting up its temples is significantly contributing to the problem. I wonder if this won't come back to bite us in the future.the anti's will figure out a way to spin this negativly Quote
Dravin Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 the anti's will figure out a way to spin this negativlyThat's true of anything though. Quote
NeuroTypical Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 make a global statement of concern about climate change and to demonstrate commitment to finding solutions.Evidence that not everything done by people in the church is inspired.I'm with bytor - what a bunch of nonsense. Quote
LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) the anti's will figure out a way to spin this negativlyThe antis? I think some people on this thread are doing a good enough job on that tbh.Honestly, even if you think global climate change is a scam, doing good things for the environment is still noble. I think too many people here who read this knee-jerked at the phrase "climate change." Edited March 27, 2009 by LittleWyvern Quote
bytor2112 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) The antis? I think some people on this thread are doing a good enough job on that tbh.Honestly, even if you think global climate change is a scam, doing good things for the environment is still noble. I think too many people here who read this knee-jerked at the phrase "climate change."I think to many people knee jerk at the phrase climate change too.......but for the completely opposite reason. Read the document obtained from the U.N., I posted it on the thread about global warming and wealth redistribution.I love clean air and fresh water. I am a huge fan of state and national parks. I hate pollution and despise litter and waste.......I am after all a Scout Master:D But, global warming/climate change is a huge fraud and it is being rammed down kids throats as though it were the gospel and it frankly sickens me. Edited March 27, 2009 by bytor2112 Quote
LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 I think to many people knee jerk at the phrase climate change too.......but for the completely opposite reason. Read the document obtained from the U.N., I posted it on the thread about global warming and wealth redistribution.I love clean air and fresh water. I am a huge fan of state and national parks. I hate pollution and despise litter and waste.......I am after all a Scout Master:D But, global warming/climate change is a huge fraud and it is being rammed down kids throats as though it were the gospel and it frankly sickens me.So why, then, do you think turning off your lights for an hour is bad? Quote
bytor2112 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 So why, then, do you think turning off your lights for an hour is bad?I keep all unnecessary lights turned off, because I like to lower my power bill. I won't be participating in earth day because I think climate change is a scam. Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 So why, then, do you think turning off your lights for an hour is bad?It's not bad, any more than walking around wearing a tin-foil hat (which I've been accused of doing! ) is "bad".But, depending on which scientists you choose to believe, the underlying causes for the behavior are a bit silly. Quote
LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) I keep all unnecessary lights turned off, because I like to lower my power bill. I won't be participating in earth day because I think climate change is a scam.Must one believe in climate change to be an environmentalist?But, depending on which scientists you choose to believe, the underlying causes for the behavior are a bit silly.Again, so what if the underlying motive is in response to "climate change?" It's a wrong assumption imo that this means one cannot participate in an event like this if they think climate change is a scam. You can do good things for the environment no matter what you think of climate change. Edited March 27, 2009 by LittleWyvern Quote
bytor2112 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Must one believe in climate change to be an environmentalist?No. Quote
Just_A_Guy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 You can do good things for the environment no matter what you think of climate change.Sure; if anyone acknowledged that they were doing it for a reason other than climate change.If I see you wearing a tin-foil hat, and you tell me you're in a dress-rehearsal for a school production of The Wizard of Oz, I'll react to you very differently than if you're wearing a tin-foil hat and you tell me that it's so that the super-duper-secret Government death ray doesn't control your mind. Quote
bytor2112 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Note: Bytor does not guarantee the accuracy of content in this site! Quote
Wingnut Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 Nuttiness never takes a break....Don't bring me into this. I don't even live in Utah. Quote
LittleWyvern Posted March 27, 2009 Author Report Posted March 27, 2009 No.So, why then is this act of environmentalism tainted (or crazy, or a scam) in your opinion, simply because the original intent was for climate change? There's a lot of ways that the environment needs help, and a lot of ways the environment will be helped by this Earth Hour event even if you don't think climate change is happening. Quote
john doe Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 I think I agree with Bytor and Just_A_Guy, but I would word it differently. I believe that climate change is indeed happening, what I refuse to accept is the premise that human-caused climate change is happening. There is simply no proof that I have seen of it. While I don't believe that turning off the lights for an hour will change anything in the big picture and is a waste of time, and probably will involve an increased labor cost, I don't mind the church giving a cursory nod to the fact that we should be conserving energy when possible. I also don't mind searching for alternative energy sources, as long as they are cost-effective, but most of the ones being pushed today are not yet. Quote
john doe Posted March 27, 2009 Report Posted March 27, 2009 ?????? Sorry, I hit a button and my post came up when I was only halfway done, so I deleted and re-posted the whole thing. Quote
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