Paul Osborne Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by antishock82003@Feb 9 2004, 04:54 AM Have you ever considered that you might be wrong? Why would a god "pervert" a human on purpose, but then "test" him to see if he'll obey him? That seems mean and nasty to me. It doesn't make any sense. It’s not mean and nasty. It’s tough. God is tough. He has given all of us a difficult journey to go through in this life. Not everyone has the same mission. We all struggle with our own problems. We agreed to do this before we came down from the preexistence. I have to assume that those righteous spirits who did not agree to do this because of fear have not yet gone down to any world but remain as a celestial spirit only until they are ready to take on a mortal mission.Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Feb 9 2004, 11:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 9 2004, 11:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Paul Osborne@Feb 8 2004, 04:37 PM Those who have same sex attraction should not be ashamed. There is nothing immoral or unholy about those who suffer this condition (temptation too) because even Christ was tempted in all points and man must go through the fire of affliction in order to win the prize. I want to see our gay LDS members stop what they are doing and turn their lives around. They cannot be saved in their sins but they can be saved from their sins. Living a homosexual life is not normal but resisting a homosexual life is commendable and I think those who do will be rewarded 100 fold.Paul O I think your thoughts on this topic are very compassionate. However, LDS doctrine is very clear that no one can enter the highest level of the Celestial kingdom unless they are married in the temple. Would a true homosexual be expected to marry in this life? If so, wouldn't that be dreadfully unfair to the homosexual's spouse? curvetteI honestly think that a homosexual person that is too afraid to get married because they are gay is exempt from the gospel law to marry in this life but will have every opportunity in the next life when all will be made right. However, if a gospel reformed gay man decides to marry he will be placing a very difficult burden upon his new wife. The sexual attraction will not be as strong as it should be and the wife will feel less appreciated or perhaps even unloved as the years go by if she doesn‘t know what she got her self into. The sex may be good at first but it will go down hill as the years go by. For this reason I think it would be wise for a gay LDS man to tell his fiancé that he has sexual attractions towards men but that he loves her and wants to marry her and live the gospel law of marriage and family. The woman can then decide if she wants to marry him…Paul O
Snow Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 8 2004, 09:00 PM Evolution is formed on the principle of a species making itself stronger to survive. Homosexuality prevents a species from reproducing, thus halting its progress. If you want to kill all life, make it all homosexual. Am I wrong?I'm just going to wait for you to disagree with me. I think you hate me so much you'll say anything to disagree. If I said shooting yourself wouldn't hurt, would you try and prove me wrong? Come on Jimmy,I don't hate you. I love you and your firey spirit. Evolution is based upon mutations occurring in the genetic code of an organism. Homosexuality in no more opposed that principle than do you, Jimmy, if you haven't mutated. You haven't mutated yet have you?
Paul Osborne Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Cal, You may have some strong feelings of dislike towards the Mormon God and think he is a screw up but the bottom line is that he is your Father. How can you hate your own Father? Paul O
Guest antishock82003 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne+Feb 9 2004, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul Osborne @ Feb 9 2004, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--antishock82003@Feb 9 2004, 04:54 AM Have you ever considered that you might be wrong? Why would a god "pervert" a human on purpose, but then "test" him to see if he'll obey him? That seems mean and nasty to me. It doesn't make any sense. It’s not mean and nasty. It’s tough. God is tough. He has given all of us a difficult journey to go through in this life. Not everyone has the same mission. We all struggle with our own problems. We agreed to do this before we came down from the preexistence. I have to assume that those righteous spirits who did not agree to do this because of fear have not yet gone down to any world but remain as a celestial spirit only until they are ready to take on a mortal mission.Paul O Ah. So some guy, in the pre-existance accepted the responsibility of having homosexual desires, as a part of his own special test? So your god, in his infinite wisdom, devised a plan in which all sorts of people would have natural sexual desires that they couldn't act upon, just so they could be tested? That's just silly, Paul. Spirit- Hey, God. What kind of special challenge am I going to get when I go to Earth? I want a good one. Jimmy over there gets to be retarded so his parents are "blessed" with a life-time of hell.God- Well, I haven't filled my quota of homosexuals yet. I finished creating all the gay penguins I need for this fiscal year, but I haven't quite gotten my homo-human ratio to a satisfactory level....Spirit- Gee, God, that's sounds like a wonderful challenge...you know, a character building experience. Will I be ostracized, and sexually frustrated?God- You bet, kiddo. In fact, I like your spunk. I'm going to send you to Provo circa 1960...so when you're going to college my Church will electrocute you for being born the way you are to be born. Whattya think?Spirit- Really, God? Oh gee! I just can't think of anything better as a way to prove my loyalty and fidelity to you!!God- Well...you could just be nice to people.Spirit- No! No no no! I insist that I be made a homosexual! I wouldn't have it any other way! The electrocution is a good angle, too. I really look forward to my suffering. God- Well, great, off ya go...now remember, be in the Castro District, but not OF the Castro District kiddo.Spirit- Thanks, God! Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeee!!!
Guest bat Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 1960's? Aversion shock therapy has been done at BYU a lot more recently than that. watch your mouth!
Paul Osborne Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Oh dear. I think I touched a sensitive nerve in Antishock and so he pouts. Actually, of all the spirits who came down, Jesus got it the worst. Our God was tough and sent his Son to die for us and suffer for the sins of the world. That is much harder than being gay and resisting the unnatural things of the flesh that God will cure in the hereafter or maybe in this very life. Christ hung on a cross and endured far more torment than any of us will ever have to go through. It is not the end of the world that Heavenly Father asks some of his children to experience the dreaded condition of same sex attraction in order for those sons and daughters to develop the strongest sense of character and willpower available to their own spirits. Look around you. Look at all the conditions in which mankind is expected to endure. The world is a place to learn and prove ourselves. God is tough! Being gay is just another opportunity to see who will serve the Lord and who will cave in and crumble to the will of the flesh. Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by bat@Feb 9 2004, 07:28 PM 1960's? Aversion shock therapy has been done at BYU a lot more recently than that. watch your mouth! I agree. It is worse than their BofA apologetics by far!Paul O
Guest bat Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne+Feb 9 2004, 07:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Paul Osborne @ Feb 9 2004, 07:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--bat@Feb 9 2004, 07:28 PM 1960's? Aversion shock therapy has been done at BYU a lot more recently than that. watch your mouth! I agree. It is worse than their BofA apologetics by far!Paul O
Lindy Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by LaurelTree@Feb 9 2004, 06:01 PM God doesnt pervert us, we do when we let satan into our hearts and home...God doesn't temp us in that way, we all know its the work of the adversary.........It amazes me how everything is always gods fault, be it left to man not to stand up and take responsibilities for his own choices and actions. WAY TO GO L.T.!!! :)My ex BIL was/is an alcoholic...he knows he was/is, but he admitted to me a long time ago that he just didn't care what he was, he enjoyed it and wasn't going to stop drinking for anything or anyone. Knew a guy who got out of prison years ago who told me what a joke it was that he just lied his way thru his sentence to get what he wanted. He was a good actor, and he survived his sentence untouched. And well educated to boot.Drug Dealers, Addicts, Perverts, Murderers, GaysI have met a lot of different people in my life....Most of these people say they have God in their lives....and that last phrase of LT's "not to stand up and take responsibilities for his own choices and actions" A few of these people are really good people, who have made really bad choices...but still refuse to change their lives because they are comfortable with what they did or are doing. Of all the people I met that have or had problems in their life....it is the ex con who I respect the most, he wasn't the best Christian man I have ever met....but he wasn't a hypocrite, he was honest with himself and changed his life to better himself. He took a stand.
Behunin Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Feb 9 2004, 02:38 PM There is no contradiction except in your own mind.Giving us weakness to control isn't a contradiction, it is a test. It is being given the world to over come...a challenge to gain dominion and power over one's enviroment, even body environment. Exactly, it is in the mind. It is the mind that is stuck in duality.
Snow Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 8 2004, 07:26 PM Homosexuality goes against the principles of evolution and nowhere in the bible can anyone show me how God advocates homosexuality. Which reminds me, just exactly do you think that mankind is evolving into?
Tr2 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Which reminds me, just exactly do you think that mankind is evolving into?Homosexualilty evolves into extinction.
Guest Starsky Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 10 2004, 08:32 AM Which reminds me, just exactly do you think that mankind is evolving into?Homosexualilty evolves into extinction. Actually I like the idea of mankind evolving into extinction...maybe I am pro-homosexuality.
Tr2 Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Actually I like the idea of mankind evolving into extinction...maybe I am pro-homosexuality. I once transported a psych. patient who said the same thing.
Guest Starsky Posted February 10, 2004 Report Posted February 10, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 10 2004, 10:38 AM Actually I like the idea of mankind evolving into extinction...maybe I am pro-homosexuality. I once transported a psych. patient who said the same thing. 'OUCH!'I guess you meant that as hurtful...so I gave you the obligatory 'cry' of pain. LOL
Cal Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Paul Osborne@Feb 9 2004, 06:29 PM Cal,You may have some strong feelings of dislike towards the Mormon God and think he is a screw up but the bottom line is that he is your Father. How can you hate your own Father? Paul O Paul---according to YOU YOUR God is my father. Sorry, but YOUR God is NOT my father. MY God is my father! He's a much nicer Father than YOURS!
Guest bat Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 A furious lightsaber duel is underway. DARTH VADER is backing LUKE SKYWALKER towards the end of the gantry. A quick move by Vader, chops off Luke's hand! It goes spinning off into the ventilation shaft. Luke backs away. He looks around, but realizes there's nowhere to go but straight down. Darth Vader: Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father. Luke: He told me enough! He told me you killed him! Darth Vader: No... I am your father! Luke: No, it's not true! It's impossible. Darth Vader: Search your feelings... you know it to be true... Luke: NO! Darth Vader: Yes, it is true... and you know what else? You know That brass droid of yours? Luke: Threepio? Darth Vader: Yes... Threepio... I built him... when I was 7 years old... Luke: No... Darth Vader: Seven years old! And what have you done? Look at yourself, no hand, no job, and couldn't even levitate your own ship out of the swamp... Luke: I destroyed your precious Death Star! Darth Vader: When you were 20! When I was 10, I single-handedly destroyed a Trade Federation Droid Control ship! Luke: Well, it's not my fault... Darth Vader: Oh, here we go... "Poor me... my father never gave me what I wanted for my birthday... boo hoo, my daddy's the Dark Lord of the Sith...waahhh wahhh!" Luke: Shut up... Darth Vader: You're a slacker! By the time I was you're age, I had exterminated the Jedi knights! Luke: I used to race my T-16 through Beggar's Canyon... Darth Vader: Oh, for the love of the Emperor... 10 years old, winner of the Boonta Eve Open... Only human to ever fly a Pod Racer... right here baby! Luke looks down the shaft. Takes a step towards it. Darth Vader: I was wrong... You're not my kid... I don't know whose you are, but you sure ain't mine... Luke takes a step off the platform, hesitates, then plunges down the shaft. Darth Vader looks after him. Darth Vader: Get a haircut!
Cal Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 TR2 You said: Homosexualilty evolves into extinction. That would only be true if any sizable portion of a population were homosexual. Actually, homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. The simple fact that it is common in animal populations proves that it is NOT going to extinguish a populations. Chimpanzees show homosexual activity and they have been around a lot longer than we have---they evolved from a common ancestor with us about 8 to 10 million years ago and have changed little since then. Of course, we have changed quite a bit, though mainly in the sophistication of our outer cortex (or what is called the "new mammalian brain")
Paul Osborne Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Cal+Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cal @ Feb 10 2004, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Paul Osborne@Feb 9 2004, 06:29 PM Cal,You may have some strong feelings of dislike towards the Mormon God and think he is a screw up but the bottom line is that he is your Father. How can you hate your own Father? Paul O Paul---according to YOU YOUR God is my father. Sorry, but YOUR God is NOT my father. MY God is my father! He's a much nicer Father than YOURS! Cal,My God is bigger than your god! Paul O
Tr2 Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 I guess you meant that as hurtful...so I gave you the obligatory 'cry' of pain. LOLNo I was just stating the fact that you and a past psych. patient of mine, who had chemical dysfunctions in his brain, think alike.
Guest Starsky Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Tr2@Feb 10 2004, 09:14 PM I guess you meant that as hurtful...so I gave you the obligatory 'cry' of pain. LOLNo I was just stating the fact that you and a past psych. patient of mine, who had chemical dysfunctions in his brain, think alike. Your no is a lie and <span style=\'font-family:Geneva\'>OUCH! again!
Guest bat Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Peace+Feb 10 2004, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Peace @ Feb 10 2004, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Tr2@Feb 10 2004, 09:14 PM I guess you meant that as hurtful...so I gave you the obligatory 'cry' of pain. LOLNo I was just stating the fact that you and a past psych. patient of mine, who had chemical dysfunctions in his brain, think alike. Your no is a lie and <span style=\'font-family:Geneva\'>OUCH! again! I'm not seeing it. How is his comparison a lie? It has already been observed on this board that you are perhaps on some sort of brain chemical altering drugs, or need to be. I think that perhaps you are in denial.
Snow Posted February 11, 2004 Report Posted February 11, 2004 Originally posted by Cal@Feb 10 2004, 05:50 PM Actually, homosexuality is widespread in the animal kingdom. My personal favorite argument.Hey, a monkey eats his own feces so you know it has to be natural. Good thinking!
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