northern_dad Posted August 5, 2009 Author Report Posted August 5, 2009 Ram, you pegged me correctly. However, even those who believe in "Once Saved Always Saved," historically expected good works. Ministers in that tradition would say that if one were of the Elect, if they were truly predestined for salvation, then their lives would show it. IMHO, those who twist "once saved always saved" (a Reader's Digest version of 'perserverence of the Saints') to say that mere public confession of faith is absolute certainty of salvation have short-circuited, even mutated a system of theological belief that, if not completely accurate (my view), was at least sophisticated and demanding of holiness.Amen to that Chaplain, thank you for that post. Quote
mnn727 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 (edited) If you really and truly got saved, how could you possibly vote Democrat??? ? How could you not?Anyway, some really good answers given here.When discussing Evangelical beliefs we must all remember that there is no 1 central governing body for Evangelical beliefs, that each denomination may believe differently and that even different pastors within the same group will believe differently. So to say Evangelicals believe this or that is wrong as some may and some may not. Edited August 5, 2009 by mnn727 Quote
dnc76v22 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 Some of the other (non-LDS) churches I have attended in my life teach that the only thing needed for salvation is a relationship with Jesus Christ. Through Christ and Christ alone we are saved. I would like to know what the LDS take is on this. Thank you all for your time.PS I'm not trolling and trying to start fireworks, I am an investigator who has attended LDS services and really would like to know the LDS side of this.Remember what the Lord said:“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. ”Matthew 7:21More than lip service is needed. Quote
dnc76v22 Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 How could you not?Anyway, some really good answers given here.When discussing Evangelical beliefs we must all remember that there is no 1 central governing body for Evangelical beliefs, that each denomination may believe differently and that even different pastors within the same group will believe differently. So to say Evangelicals believe this or that is wrong as some may and some may not.I'm not sure if there is any Baptist congregations that still forbid dancing. Quote
rameumptom Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 I guess what I'm saying is it's a growing process, not a one time event. Christ's works were a one time event, but we grow line upon line, here a little and there a little. Becoming saved requires us to become a man of God, seeking His will. This doesn't happen magically. This doesn't happen the moment we "accept Christ." This only comes after a lifetime of purging our desires. As we believe Christ is the way, we follow that path from small things to bigger things. He grants us power to become by blessing our actions. Eventually we change even our thoughts and desires. This change, or being born again, usually doesn't happen in one instant.And I would say that Christ's works are ongoing. D&C 93 tells us that he did not receive a fullness at first, but went from grace to grace, receiving grace for grace, until he reached that fullness.His atonement is ongoing. I do not believe it culminated at Gethsemane or on the Cross, but it reached its crescendo at that point of time. Whenever, we repent, Christ still has key portions of the atonement to do for each of us. I like Blake Ostler's concept of the Compassion Atonement. When we accept Christ, he embraces us with his love and acceptance. This means he gives us his love and acceptance, but takes from us not only our repentant heart, but also the pain and suffering we have. He suffers even today, when we accept his atonement and repent, as he embraces us and engulfs us with his acceptance. Quote
prisonchaplain Posted August 6, 2009 Report Posted August 6, 2009 I'm not sure if there is any Baptist congregations that still forbid dancing. Don't tell me they done gone liberal??? We all know what dancing can lead to... Quote
dnc76v22 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 Don't tell me they done gone liberal??? We all know what dancing can lead to...Maybe it was that Mason influence. Quote
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