Of Psychology And Polygamy.

[Ray]

I’ll try to cut to the heart of this matter.

I know that our Lord has authorized and approved of men having more than one wife at a time in the past, and if our Lord were to authorize that again, for all men, I believe all wonderful women would accept the idea that it is okay for their husbands to have more than one wife simply by knowing that our Lord has authorized it.

And btw, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would not be able to accept that idea even while knowing that our Lord had authorized it.

Or in other words, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would argue with our Lord about what they know He has authorized.

And btw, I don’t see anything wrong with anyone trying to understand HOW our Lord could consider men having more than one wife at a time as a “good” thing. I simply believe it is wrong to say something is wrong without trying to understand.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 31 2005, 11:45 AM

I’ll try to cut to the heart of this matter.

I know that our Lord has authorized and approved of men having more than one wife at a time in the past, and if our Lord were to authorize that again, for all men, I believe all wonderful women would accept the idea that it is okay for their husbands to have more than one wife simply by knowing that our Lord has authorized it.

And btw, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would not be able to accept that idea even while knowing that our Lord had authorized it.

Or in other words, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would argue with our Lord about what they know He has authorized.

And btw, I don’t see anything wrong with anyone trying to understand HOW our Lord could consider men having more than one wife at a time as a “good” thing.  I simply believe it is wrong to say something is wrong without trying to understand.

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Thank Ray.

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by dizzysmiles@Oct 31 2005, 12:35 PM

But if something were to happen to me id want my husbanbd to be happy in life and have a women help raise my kids, it wouldnt be fair to say only for this life and then shun her off in the next,

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But if the roles were reversed, it would be OK for YOU to marry your new husband only to shun him in the afterlife? Why is THAT OK?

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by dizzysmiles@Oct 31 2005, 12:37 PM

if you all remember joseph smith didnt want to do pologamy and put it off as far as he could, but an angel said that he would be killed and another take his place if he did not obey gods comandment.  Many of people dont agree with it and i think its beyound our comprehension and im glad with the husband i have and couldnt handle another haha

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Likely story...

The God that I believe in loves us all more than to put women through all that.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 31 2005, 12:45 PM

And btw, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would not be able to accept that idea even while knowing that our Lord had authorized it.

Or in other words, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would argue with our Lord about what they know He has authorized.

Guess that would make me an UN-wonderful woman! Because I'd be asking God all kinds of questions about it!

For the record though, I have received a burning in the bosom from God that He didn't say polygamy was OK. :)

[Fiannan]

You know, what's interesting is where in the Bible (Old Testament) polygamy was not only tolerated, but regulated and mandated.

In the Mosaic Law (remember, that was after Jacob) a man could not marry two sisters. A married man caught with a virgin had to marry her too and could not divorce her, and if a man died before having children his wife was to be taken as a wife of his brother.

Sounds like the God of the Bible didn't condemn polygamy.

[pushka]

What was Jesus' view on it tho?

[Ray]

Jesus is the "God of the Bible".

Or in other words, after the "fall", Jesus was and is the only God who revealed and continues to reveal the will of our Father in heaven to Man, and He has always done so through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Or in other words, Jesus is the God who revealed the will of God to Moses, and to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, and He is the God who reveals His will to President Hinckley today.

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 31 2005, 11:45 AM

I’ll try to cut to the heart of this matter.

I know that our Lord has authorized and approved of men having more than one wife at a time in the past, and if our Lord were to authorize that again, for all men, I believe all wonderful women would accept the idea that it is okay for their husbands to have more than one wife simply by knowing that our Lord has authorized it.

And btw, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would not be able to accept that idea even while knowing that our Lord had authorized it.

Or in other words, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would argue with our Lord about what they know He has authorized.

And btw, I don’t see anything wrong with anyone trying to understand HOW our Lord could consider men having more than one wife at a time as a “good” thing.  I simply believe it is wrong to say something is wrong without trying to understand.

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I do know women were considered better than their male counter parts to the Lord...and therefore required to endure much more in this life than men were... but then that is why they will be exalted so much higher than the male population... and therefore requiring a polygamy in exaltation.... there will be soooooo few men there.... LOL

[dizzysmiles]

God loves us, and I do think if the roles were reveresed, then the Lord will work things oout becasue there are times that women love their 2nd hubby more then the 1st. And i do think that those who do not have the chance to be married or bare children in this life will in the next. In the scriptures it says that women will tell men they will buy their own food, and take care of themselves as long as they can take their last name. Thankyou ray i agree with the truth to the wonderful people. i hope i too can be that way.

[Ray]

Originally posted by Please+Oct 31 2005, 01:37 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Ray@Oct 31 2005, 11:45 AM

I’ll try to cut to the heart of this matter.

I know that our Lord has authorized and approved of men having more than one wife at a time in the past, and if our Lord were to authorize that again, for all men, I believe all wonderful women would accept the idea that it is okay for their husbands to have more than one wife simply by knowing that our Lord has authorized it.

And btw, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would not be able to accept that idea even while knowing that our Lord had authorized it.

Or in other words, my idea of a woman who is less than wonderful is a woman who would argue with our Lord about what they know He has authorized.

And btw, I don’t see anything wrong with anyone trying to understand HOW our Lord could consider men having more than one wife at a time as a “good” thing.  I simply believe it is wrong to say something is wrong without trying to understand.

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I do know women were considered better than their male counter parts to the Lord...and therefore required to endure much more in this life than men were... but then that is why they will be exalted so much higher than the male population... and therefore requiring a polygamy in exaltation.... there will be soooooo few men there.... LOL

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I agree that there will be more women exalted to the Celestial kingdom than men, which is one of the reasons I believe some men in that kingdom will have several wives, but those women won't be any higher than those men because those women would not be complete without their man just as those men would not be complete without their women. :)

[john doe]

SF writes:

Thank Ray. 

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo. 

Although I don't know you other than on this board, SF, I think I can say that at least in my eyes, from what I know of you, you are a wonderful wife, mother, and woman. If others can't see that, that is their problem.

While we are only a hundred years removed from when the church openly practiced polygamy, or polygyny if you prefer to call it, there are a host of things we as members and non-members today do not fully understand about it. And no amount of beating each other up over it will make anyone understand.

Personally, I don't worry too much about polygamy, right now it is a dead issue for me, and if it were reinstated, and if I was asked to participate in the practice, I would probably do a lot of praying and seeking for personal revelation from the Lord about whether it would be right for me personally to engage in it. And even then, I would only act upon it with my wife's full blessing if she were alive. I just don't see the stars aligning anytime soon for those things to happen, so I don't get myself worked up about it right now. I think that some of these people today who talk about it making a comeback, secretly, or even unconsciously, wish they could find some justification to practice it now.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by john doe@Oct 31 2005, 06:35 PM

SF writes:

Thank Ray. 

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo. 

Although I don't know you other than on this board, SF, I think I can say that at least in my eyes, from what I know of you, you are a wonderful wife, mother, and woman. If others can't see that, that is their problem.

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Oh John Doe,

Thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you think I am wonderful.

[Ray]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Oct 31 2005, 05:44 PM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-john doe@Oct 31 2005, 06:35 PM

SF writes:

Thank Ray. 

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo. 

Although I don't know you other than on this board, SF, I think I can say that at least in my eyes, from what I know of you, you are a wonderful wife, mother, and woman. If others can't see that, that is their problem.

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Oh John Doe,

Thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you think I am wonderful.

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Everybody enjoys appearing wonderful in the eyes of others, and women seem to be especially concerned about how they appear to others, but wonderful is a word that I use sparingly because our Lord is also called Wonderful and I don't want to detract from how wonderful I believe He is.

I do think my wife is wonderful though, and I'm sure my Lord agrees with that.

[StrawberryFields]

Originally posted by Ray+Oct 31 2005, 06:54 PM-->

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Oct 31 2005, 05:44 PM

<!--QuoteBegin-john doe@Oct 31 2005, 06:35 PM

SF writes:

Thank Ray. 

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo. 

Although I don't know you other than on this board, SF, I think I can say that at least in my eyes, from what I know of you, you are a wonderful wife, mother, and woman. If others can't see that, that is their problem.

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Oh John Doe,

Thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you think I am wonderful.

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Everybody enjoys appearing wonderful in the eyes of others, and women seem to be especially concerned about how they appear to others, but wonderful is a word that I use sparingly because our Lord is also called Wonderful and I don't want to detract from how wonderful I believe He is.

I do think my wife is wonderful though, and I'm sure my Lord agrees with that.

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Ya know Ray, your opinion is about me is as important as........................................................................

Whoops, I can't think of anything else that means so little.

[begood2]

If a man had a wonderful wife :) .... why would he need another one?

[begood2]

SF writes:

Thank Ray. 

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo. 

Although I don't know you other than on this board, SF, I think I can say that at least in my eyes, from what I know of you, you are a wonderful wife, mother, and woman. If others can't see that, that is their problem.

Very well stated john, I also feel this is true of SF. :)

PS. Lindy too. :)

[john doe]

Ray spouted:

wonderful is a word that I use sparingly because our Lord is also called Wonderful and I don't want to detract from how wonderful I believe He is.

As do I, and I have no problem calling Strawberry Fields a wonderful woman.

You, Ray, on the other hand, are starting to remind me of the south end of a north-bound horse, if you get my drift. How dare you be such a jerk to a woman, let alone one of the most wonderful ones here?

[Fiannan]

Any thoughts on the Parable of the 10 Virgins in the New Testament? Here is one Islamic interpretation:

404. In the religious law of antiquity, there is no restriction to the number of wives a man may have. All the Biblical prophets were polygamous. Even in Christianity which has become synonymous with monogamy, Jesus Christ himself never uttered a word against polygamy; on the other hand, there are eminent Christian theologians, like Luther, Malanchthon, Bucer, etc., who would not hesitate to deduce the legality of polygamy from the parable of the virgins spoken of in the Gospel of Matthew (25:1-12) for Jesus Christ envisages there the possibility of the marriage of one man with as many as ten girls simultaneously. If the Christians do not want to profit by the permissions (which the founder of their religion seems to have given them), the law is not changed for all that. This is true of the Muslims also, whose law is moreover the only one in history which expressly limits the maximum permissible number of polygamous wives. (For Christian theory and practice, as well as for general discussion, cf. also Encyclopedia Britannica, under the articles, Marriage, and Polygamy; Westermarck, History of Human Marriage, 3 Vols.)

http://muslim-canada.org/sex.htm

[Guest Member_Deleted]

Originally posted by Fiannan@Nov 1 2005, 12:47 AM

Any thoughts on the Parable of the 10 Virgins in the New Testament?  Here is one Islamic interpretation:

404. In the religious law of antiquity, there is no restriction to the number of wives a man may have. All the Biblical prophets were polygamous. Even in Christianity which has become synonymous with monogamy, Jesus Christ himself never uttered a word against polygamy; on the other hand, there are eminent Christian theologians, like Luther, Malanchthon, Bucer, etc., who would not hesitate to deduce the legality of polygamy from the parable of the virgins spoken of in the Gospel of Matthew (25:1-12) for Jesus Christ envisages there the possibility of the marriage of one man with as many as ten girls simultaneously. If the Christians do not want to profit by the permissions (which the founder of their religion seems to have given them), the law is not changed for all that. This is true of the Muslims also, whose law is moreover the only one in history which expressly limits the maximum permissible number of polygamous wives. (For Christian theory and practice, as well as for general discussion, cf. also Encyclopedia Britannica, under the articles, Marriage, and Polygamy; Westermarck, History of Human Marriage, 3 Vols.)

http://muslim-canada.org/sex.htm

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I have a lot to say about this particular parable... but first... to give it the proper background.... Christ was teaching the people who believed in polygamy and where... if you read the stories of the Old testiment... the brides and wives were a very important thing...as far as value giving the man status...etc..

So just because he approached them on THEIR level doesn't mean he condoned their practices...

The Catholics took it a whole different way... and thus we have NUNS!

Now... the virgin (in general) was to represent pure people... or chosen people... or people who were in line to be chosen to be accepted by Christ.

But not all who called him LORD (as women were taught to do with their husbands... (husbands being their MASTERS)) would be chosen... we have several scriptures which clearify this teaching.... Matthew 7: for one...

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the dwill of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

We know that the 10 virgins were just representations of the church.... that some would not be prepared... to come unto Christ... who is the Bridegroom... and the church is used in the image of the Bride....

Even the daughters of Zion image used in Isaiah.... lets us know that the church is what they are talking about.... NOT POLYGAMY....

How desperate men must be... to use these scriptures to get themselves more women..... LOL

[dizzysmiles]

i missed something what did ray say that offended you SF? i didnt read it i kinda skimed over this. But good point goodtobe i like your points. You are a great woman SF and so is everyone on here.

[Ray]

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields+Oct 31 2005, 06:03 PM-->

Originally posted by Ray@Oct 31 2005, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Strawberry Fields@Oct 31 2005, 05:44 PM

<!--QuoteBegin-john doe@Oct 31 2005, 06:35 PM

SF writes:

Thank Ray.  

Tell the wonderful wife Strawberry Fields says Hellloooo.  

Although I don't know you other than on this board, SF, I think I can say that at least in my eyes, from what I know of you, you are a wonderful wife, mother, and woman. If others can't see that, that is their problem.

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Oh John Doe,

Thank you so much. It means a lot to me that you think I am wonderful.

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Everybody enjoys appearing wonderful in the eyes of others, and women seem to be especially concerned about how they appear to others, but wonderful is a word that I use sparingly because our Lord is also called Wonderful and I don't want to detract from how wonderful I believe He is.

I do think my wife is wonderful though, and I'm sure my Lord agrees with that.

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Ya know Ray, your opinion is about me is as important as........................................................................

Whoops, I can't think of anything else that means so little.

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Are you persecuting me, Strawberry?

What in your mind have I done to deserve this?

[Ray]

Originally posted by begood2@Oct 31 2005, 08:41 PM

If a man had a wonderful wife :)  .... why would he need another one?

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Let's ask the Lord, shall we? I'm sure He has His reasons.

[Ray]

Originally posted by john doe@Oct 31 2005, 10:56 PM

Ray spouted:

wonderful is a word that I use sparingly because our Lord is also called Wonderful and I don't want to detract from how wonderful I believe He is.

As do I, and I have no problem calling Strawberry Fields a wonderful woman.

You, Ray, on the other hand, are starting to remind me of the south end of a north-bound horse, if you get my drift. How dare you be such a jerk to a woman, let alone one of the most wonderful ones here?

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Persecution from you too, john doe?

What in YOUR mind have I done to deserve this?

[Ray]

Originally posted by Please+Nov 1 2005, 08:53 AM-->

<!--QuoteBegin-Fiannan@Nov 1 2005, 12:47 AM

Any thoughts on the Parable of the 10 Virgins in the New Testament?  Here is one Islamic interpretation:

404. In the religious law of antiquity, there is no restriction to the number of wives a man may have. All the Biblical prophets were polygamous. Even in Christianity which has become synonymous with monogamy, Jesus Christ himself never uttered a word against polygamy; on the other hand, there are eminent Christian theologians, like Luther, Malanchthon, Bucer, etc., who would not hesitate to deduce the legality of polygamy from the parable of the virgins spoken of in the Gospel of Matthew (25:1-12) for Jesus Christ envisages there the possibility of the marriage of one man with as many as ten girls simultaneously. If the Christians do not want to profit by the permissions (which the founder of their religion seems to have given them), the law is not changed for all that. This is true of the Muslims also, whose law is moreover the only one in history which expressly limits the maximum permissible number of polygamous wives. (For Christian theory and practice, as well as for general discussion, cf. also Encyclopedia Britannica, under the articles, Marriage, and Polygamy; Westermarck, History of Human Marriage, 3 Vols.)

http://muslim-canada.org/sex.htm

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I have a lot to say about this particular parable... but first... to give it the proper background.... Christ was teaching the people who believed in polygamy and where... if you read the stories of the Old testiment... the brides and wives were a very important thing...as far as value giving the man status...etc..

So just because he approached them on THEIR level doesn't mean he condoned their practices...

The Catholics took it a whole different way... and thus we have NUNS!

Now... the virgin (in general) was to represent pure people... or chosen people... or people who were in line to be chosen to be accepted by Christ.

But not all who called him LORD (as women were taught to do with their husbands... (husbands being their MASTERS)) would be chosen... we have several scriptures which clearify this teaching.... Matthew 7: for one...

21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the dwill of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

We know that the 10 virgins were just representations of the church.... that some would not be prepared... to come unto Christ... who is the Bridegroom... and the church is used in the image of the Bride....

Even the daughters of Zion image used in Isaiah.... lets us know that the church is what they are talking about.... NOT POLYGAMY....

How desperate men must be... to use these scriptures to get themselves more women..... LOL

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Please,

I'm sure you know our Lord authorized polygamy in the past, so would you really have a problem if He did so again?