OneEternalSonata Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 (edited) Jews are dear to my heart, and I'd relish the opportunity to witness a Judaic wedding. I don't know much at all about the ceremony, however. I'd appreciate if thekabalist would be willing to explain the ceremony, and the symbolism behind the outward observances. :) EDIT: Thanks to our mods for creating this forum! Edited December 17, 2009 by OneEternalSonata Quote
beefche Posted December 15, 2009 Report Posted December 15, 2009 Ooo, can thekabalist also talk about the Sedar dinner and the symbolism there? I've attended a couple with my Jewish "momma" (she says everyone should have a Jewish mother!) and it was a wonderful experience. Quote
OneEternalSonata Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Posted December 15, 2009 That'd be wonderful! Quote
Dravin Posted December 16, 2009 Report Posted December 16, 2009 (edited) I wonder if our Jewish friends realize what they've gotten themselves into, so many question and only two (that I'm aware of) to answer them. :) Edited December 16, 2009 by Dravin Quote
OneEternalSonata Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Posted December 16, 2009 True, Dravin! Hopefully, any of us who know of Jewish beliefs will give their input, also. Quote
Zechariah Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 Here's a link where this topic was started before. I'm looking forward to learning more too. :) http://www.lds.net/forums/lds-gospel-discussion/27772-thekabalist-marriage-judaism.html Quote
volgadon Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 It really depends on which community, as they have different traditions. Quote
afinefellow718 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 It really depends on which community, as they have different traditions.I'm guessing I might be that second Jew referred to earlier lol. Did anyone attack this yet?LOLHERSHEL Quote
pam Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 I don't think it has been tackled yet. Good to see you back. I was wondering what had happened to you. Quote
afinefellow718 Posted January 4, 2010 Report Posted January 4, 2010 Hi Pam, Well, I need to be motivated to tear myself away from my work, lol. As you know where I work and as Retail goes wild this time of year, I kind of had my head buried in the sand of the day to day. I hope to remember to tackle this tomorrow. Feel free to "remind me". All the best. HERSHEL Quote
volgadon Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 I'm guessing I might be that second Jew referred to earlier lol. Did anyone attack this yet?LOLHERSHELHow about you take the Ashkenazi ones, I'll do the others? Quote
pam Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 Hi Pam,Well, I need to be motivated to tear myself away from my work, lol. As you know where I work and as Retail goes wild this time of year, I kind of had my head buried in the sand of the day to day.I hope to remember to tackle this tomorrow. Feel free to "remind me".All the best.HERSHEL Oh I'll remind you my friend. hahaYes I can imagine your store went absolutely crazy during the holiday season. Just watching the video of a normal day is crazy enough. Can't imagine what a holiday shopping day must be like. Quote
afinefellow718 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 Yes indeed. People lined up around the block some days, waiting for us to open. Website (my area) was sizzleing. Finally settling down abit. So where shall I start? Quote
pam Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 (edited) Describe what a traditional wedding ceremony would be. I know in movies I always see them stomping on a glass or something along that line. What is the significance of that if that is really done. Edited January 5, 2010 by pam Quote
afinefellow718 Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 Describe what a traditional wedding ceremony would be. I know in movies I always see them stomping on a glass or something along that line. What is the significance of that if that is really done.OK. I"ll probably have to do this in pieces but here goes. Please keep in mind that whenever I respond to any question about Judaism, whether about laws, customs, beliefs and traditions, it is always from the Orthodox point of view. This discounts anything Conservative or Reform which will more often than not be a watered down version of the Orthodox practice (no offense intended here to anyone not Orthodox).First and foremost, it is important to note that each and every custom and tradition is drawn from and is designed to emulate what took place when G-d gave the Jews the Torah (Bible/10Commandments) at Mount Sinai some 3300 years ago and or the Bilical requirements for aquisition (for lack of a better or more elegant term). The Groom and Bride do not communicate in any way or see each other for at least one week before the wedding. At the wedding, before the ceremony, the groom is in a room with the male family and guests and the bride in a separate room with the ladies. Immediately prior to the ceremony, the Gromm and his entourage enters the ladies side of the venue takes a look upon the face of his bride and immediately covers her face with her veil which remains in place till the end of the ceremony. At this time, it is customary for the brides Father/Grandfather to place their hand on her head and bless her.The Ceremony takes place beneath a "Chupah" or canopy under the open sky. Therefore, even if the ceremony takes place indoors, the canopy must be placed beneath an open skylight.Major elements of the actual ceremony must include witnesses totally unrelated to both each other as well as the bride and groom, a pure gold or silver completely unadorned and uninscribed ring which the groom will place upon the brides index finger and a legally completed, executed, signed and wittnessed Marriage Contract called a "Kesubah". Additionally, the ceremony must be performed over a cup of wine of which both the Groom and Bride must partake from twice during the ceremony.The order in which the ceremony is executed is as follows:Rabbi makes the first two blessings over the goblet of wineGroom and Bride drink from the wineGroom places the ring upon the brides finger pronouncing the ages old wedding statement "Thou art betrothed (hallowed) unto me, according to the law of Moses and Israel." Rabbi reads the Kesubah (Marriage Contract)The wine is blessed yet again and seven blessings are recitedGroom and Bride drink from the wine againA glass or goblet usually wrapped in a linen napkin to keep glass from flying all over the place is placed on the ground and the Groom stomps on it with his right foot so as to break it. This is a required act of the ceremony and is for the purpose of reminding us that on this, the happiest day of our lives, the Temple in Jerusalem, the House of the Lord lies in ruins and we must yearn for the day of it's rebuilding.Then everyone yells "Mazel Tov" the music starts playing and the celebratory dinner begins!Gotta catch my breath! How'm I doing so far? Any questions? Quote
thekabalist Posted January 5, 2010 Report Posted January 5, 2010 It really depends on which community, as they have different traditions.Volgadon is absolutely right! :)However for our non-Jewish friends I believe some clarification is in order about how different or how similar Jewish communities may be. When it comes to Judaism one has to understand it is a faith of many layers. Now here are the basic layers of our practices:1- Mitzvot d'OraitaThis is a hybrid Hebrew-Aramaic expression that literally means "commandments of the law". This is the kernel of our religion. However, the law divides itself into two parts. 1.1- Torah ShebiktavLiterally the "law that is in writing". This refers to the laws that have been written and can be found in the Pentateuch. 1.2- Torah ShebalpehLiterally the "law that is in the mouth". This refers to the laws that Moses gave our people but were preserved orally from generation to generation. It can be found within the writings of the Mishnah mostly.2 - Mitzvot d'RabbananAnother hybrid Hebrew-Aramaic expression that literally means "commandments of the rabbis". This refers to laws that were established by our rabbis. It gets much deeper than this but suffice it to say that it refers to most of the traditions of old and of fences to protect the Torah which became accepted and binding unto all Israel.Up to this point there are no difference among the main Jewish communities all around the world except for the revisionists such as Reform or Conservative but that's a whole different story.3 - HalachahLiterally means "walk" and refers to the HOW we keep the Torah. For example: The Torah says don't work on Shabbat. Our sages have interpreted the kinds of work. But how would you apply this to the modern world? For example you have the prohibition of having someone work for you on Shabbat. This is viewed differently by Sepharadic and Ashkenazi Jews. So halachah can have some degree of variation from one community to the other however the goal is always the same: How do we keep the mitzvot to the best of our abilities. Still over time it often happens that halachah gets a wider acceptance so you will find more similiarities than in the minhagim which is the next item.4 - MinhagLiterally means "custom" and refers basically to the cultural aspects of each communtiy. This could refer for example to some differences in liturgy, the way a Jew dresses, some aspects of synagogue life and even typical food served on Jewish holidays.This 4th bit varies a great deal from community to community. To the outsider because of the different minhagim two Jewish communities may seem as different as chalk and cheese but if you look deeper than that you will see the similaries. The underlying laws, principles and symbolized elements of our faith essentially remain the same. Hope this clears it up a bit. If I have forgotten something my other Jewish fellows please do feel free to complement. :)b'shalom! Quote
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