Is Anyone Going To See The Passion Of Christ Movie

Outshined · February 26, 2004

I've always thought Kay has a wonderful way with words.......

Outshined · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Ray@Feb 25 2004, 02:53 PM
Any ideas on how I might track down the statements from General Authorities regarding rated R movies? I have a feeling that the person(s) who made those statements were only trying to give general counsel, and not official declarations from our Lord.

Here are some quotes: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/a...appropriate.htm

Hope that was what you were looking for.

Rodney · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Outshined@Feb 26 2004, 08:59 AM
I've always thought Kay has a wonderful way with words.......

Oh, well, that's because you, yourself are most likely a wonderful guy.

Outshined · February 26, 2004

I might add that my first name is Rodney.......

Rodney · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Outshined+Feb 26 2004, 09:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Outshined @ Feb 26 2004, 09:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Ray@Feb 25 2004, 02:53 PM
Any ideas on how I might track down the statements from General Authorities regarding rated R movies? I have a feeling that the person(s) who made those statements were only trying to give general counsel, and not official declarations from our Lord.

Here are some quotes: http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/a...appropriate.htm

Hope that was what you were looking for.

Elder Robert L. Simpson taught:

"It goes without saying that all X and R-rated movies are automatically eliminated." (The Church News, Conference Issues 1970-1987, p.11)

Now, there's wisdom for ya!

Rodney · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Outshined@Feb 26 2004, 09:03 AM
I might add that my first name is Rodney.......

My sympathies can find no words.

Outshined · February 26, 2004

It's a burden with which I have learned to live. B)

Winnie G · February 26, 2004

1st post

Ok here is a twist I never thought I would ever hear.

My 2nd oldest son who was supposes to attend the movie tonight had a change of planes and did not go, no big deal right?

So I come home from work and the phone rings my eldest son 26, the one who has not spoken to God since he Kidnapped and assaulted. 13 who always says “there is no God if there was one he would have not let this happen to him he was a good boy and honored his priesthood and did all the things the church asked of him there for there is no God”.

He called to night saying, “You want the good news or bad news”? I thinking something’s really wrong, “Bad news”, Ok (he ratted on his youngest brother) not big deal, he is overly big brotherish. Were uses to it? “Ok good news”.

Word of word. “Mom I want to she the Passion of Christ with you, if this is what really happened I should see what Christ did for me” Quite, I told him that if I went I would most likely cry a lot and embarrass him, that I was going to wait till his other brother saw it tonight and then tell me if I should see it. “Mom I really need to see this you would not embarrass me. I need to see this”.

He called back three times through the evening, saying the same as above.

My husband and I are more then blown away by his statements.

We have not been close since he was hurt, he keeps a wall up and at time screams at me when I talk about church stuff, that how could I worship a God that harms young men and did what happened to him, I am a cult member and so on you get the idea.

So what do you think?

I am buying tickets tomorrow at the theater that has advanced tickets on sale for Friday.

If he wants this bad enough I will go.

2nd post

Read the trib on the movie it has the R thing coverd as well.

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Feb/02252004/ut...utah/142209.asp

This morning post.

My son who was suppose to go called this morning I told him of our planes and he said he did not know if he wanted to go any more, This is not the oldest son, his closest brother. So why? He could not get any of his friends from his YSA ward to go. He said they told him they were prompted not to go.

Auh Ok then why is my other son feels a real need to go? And why drag me along for the ride? He says his brother could want go because he loves over the top push your button kind of movies.

I feel no such prompting.

ROBERT MILLET, Brigham Young University said in the trib yesterday. "I was moved by the role of Mary. As Latter-day Saints, we don't focus on Mary as much as other Christians. As I watched her face, I wondered how she was feeling as she saw her son."

That is what I heard the first thing I read over a month ago and that is what I want to see.

I think the trib give a good over view of the pros and cons of the movie.

So now the little voice in my head say.

Ok now what?

I finger I get a better response from this board the Gen, there already taking it off topic.

Rodney · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Winnie G@Feb 26 2004, 09:17 AM
I finger I get a better response from this board the Gen, there already taking it off topic.

I remember when I once fingered a general. Wow, did I ever get yelled at!

Oh, I'm sorry. I've taken the topic askew again. I just can't help it. Reading some of your inadvertent typos always seems to bring something other into my mind.

Kevin · February 26, 2004

Don't see this movie. I saw it last night and wish I hadn't. While a significant portion focuses on the sorrow that many feel at Christ's sufferings, a very large part of the movie focuses on the gruesome torture of Christ. I am still stunned this morning as I write this. I think that one can gain a sound understanding of Christ's sufferings through prayer and study. Seeing this movie wasn't necessary and it was not helpful to me. I suppose it might be to some but a more sure witness comes through the whisperings of the spirit - not through viewing graphic torture.

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Jenda@Feb 25 2004, 02:26 PM
I saw it this morning.

What are your thoughts on it Jenda?

February 26, 2004

Winnie's link for the SL Trib article didn't work. Here's the link that I found the article on.

http://www.sltrib.com/2004/feb/02252004/ut...utah/142209.asp

Jenda · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by curvette+Feb 26 2004, 11:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Feb 26 2004, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jenda@Feb 25 2004, 02:26 PM
I saw it this morning.

What are your thoughts on it Jenda?

I think the movie is extremely powerful. I cried for hours after seeing it, and still was crying this morning when someone posted something about it on another board I post on.

The spiritual suffering is evident in the opening Garden of Gethsemane scene as well as isolated spots in the rest of the movie, such as when Jesus was talking to Pilate.

The physical suffering was almost too much too look at. And it went on forever.

The last scene is the only scene that brings a glimmer of hope in all the movie, it lasted about 3 minutes.

The people in the theatre cried loud and long, and when it was over, we sat looking at the screen for 5 minutes in silence or crying. A friend of mine says that the people in the theatre with her stood and applauded when it was over.

It will leave you changed. I could not even post anything about it till today. And still, so much of it is so personal.

Winnie G · February 26, 2004

Do you think that it could have an in packed on my son who has not stepped in side a church since her was a young man? This is the only thing that will make me go, is for him he said he felt the need to see this, using the words “What he did for ME” was what made me sit up and yet not able to say a word.

This is so important I dare not miss it if it will help him forgive and heal????

Don’t BS me on this one guys, my son is 26 now and suffers in his own hell and deep loneliness even with a family and son around him. I need to know your thoughts on it.

We are seeing Friday night if I need to back out tell me.

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Snow@Feb 24 2004, 04:50 PM
..."my delicate little rose petal," as he is want to call her.

"...as he is wont to call her."

The above is the correct 17th-century [King James Bible English-] wording: the word "want" is not.

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Feb 25 2004, 02:26 PM
...They rarely, if ever, explicitly take anything back. They just replace the old counsel with the new, and let the old fade out of the Church's memory.

Rather like with Brigham Young's doctrine of blood atonement, eh?

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Rodney@Feb 26 2004, 10:26 AM

...Yeah....uhhhmmmm. Butter Finger!
[Or, I just "pulled a Homer", as in Homer Simpson]
[And, yes, Homer is irreverent and not good for children to see....nor for the young parents of those young children, for that matter: it is extremely adult humor and mostly objectionable; so, for me to "pull a Homer" may, in and of itself, be....er, R-rated]

Kevin · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Winnie G@Feb 26 2004, 01:09 PM
Do you think that it could have an in packed on my son who has not stepped in side a church since her was a young man? This is the only thing that will make me go, is for him he said he felt the need to see this, using the words “What he did for ME” was what made me sit up and yet not able to say a word.
This is so important I dare not miss it if it will help him forgive and heal????
Don’t BS me on this one guys, my son is 26 now and suffers in his own hell and deep loneliness even with a family and son around him. I need to know your thoughts on it.
We are seeing Friday night if I need to back out tell me.

Winnie, this is a tough decision you have to make. I don't know what to tell you. I recommend D&C Section 9: 8-9. I didn't care for the movie - it was extremely gruesome for extended periods of time. I think Mel Gibson was going for maximum shock value and if he didn't get it he came close. I'm not sure how seeing all of the gore would help your son. I think feeling the Spirit of God would have the greatest effect and I certainly didn't feel such during this movie. Perhaps others have and I'm just insensitive.

February 26, 2004

...Yeah....uhhhmmmm. Butter Finger!
[Or, I just "pulled a Homer", here: as in Homer Simpson]
[And, yes, Homer is irreverent and not good for children to see....nor for the young parents of those young children, for that matter: it is extremely adult humor and mostly objectionable; so, for me to "pull a Homer" may, in and of itself, be....er, R-rated]

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Kevin+Feb 26 2004, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kevin @ Feb 26 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Winnie G@Feb 26 2004, 01:09 PM
Do you think that it could have an in packed on my son who has not stepped in side a church since her was a young man? This is the only thing that will make me go, is for him he said he felt the need to see this, using the words “What he did for ME” was what made me sit up and yet not able to say a word.
This is so important I dare not miss it if it will help him forgive and heal????
Don’t BS me on this one guys, my son is 26 now and suffers in his own hell and deep loneliness even with a family and son around him. I need to know your thoughts on it.
We are seeing Friday night if I need to back out tell me.

Winnie, this is a tough decision you have to make. I don't know what to tell you. I recommend D&C Section 9: 8-9. I didn't care for the movie - it was extremely gruesome for extended periods of time. I think Mel Gibson was going for maximum shock value and if he didn't get it he came close. I'm not sure how seeing all of the gore would help your son. I think feeling the Spirit of God would have the greatest effect and I certainly didn't feel such during this movie. Perhaps others have and I'm just insensitive.

Kevin,

I would agree with you without even having seen the movie, except for "trailers".

One must be aware that Gibson is an arch-conservative Catholic. His perspective is the same as that of the early Irish Catholics in America who called Jews "Christ killers".

Of course, Mel may have sidestepped the questions put to him by Diane Sawyer: that is to say, that his answers were "thoughtfully considered and weighed", even before answering--for the purpose, I'm sure, of smoothing over any potential conflict that he would otherwise create had anti-Semitic overtones been suggested, thereby.

Mel Gibson's father denied that the Holocaust ever happened.

Mel didn't exactly "defend" his father: just that his father was "off-limits" to Diane Sawyer, in her discussion with the younger Gibson.

So, NO, the violence, in and of itself, is not like sitting in a sacrament meeting or being in general conference.

I personally think that sectarian Christianity is what will be most-favorably impressed by the movie. The word "Passion"--as in the passion of Christ's sufferings--is a wording typical of sectarianism, not Mormonism.

I heard [listened to] reviews of the movie from various tv personalities, and I particularly noted that some observed an almost altogether absence of emphasis on Christ's "Victory"--his "triumph over death" [i.e, pertaining to His resurrection].

So, if the "dying part" were the main focus of Christ's own, earthly mission, then we--those who have come after--would be utterly without hope...

[if the Resurrection were not the "Final Reality" of the Life of Christ].

For Catholics to have traditionally called Jews "christ killers" is to deny such a reality: not only of the Resurrection, but that Jesus Christ's purpose and mission would have been frustrated had he not been crucified.

In pondering the life of Christ, one also remembers that Christ had the power to lay His life down [and the power to prevent others from taking His life from Him], as well as the power to "take it up, again."

It is this "taking it up, again" that is of most value, to me--an average "Joe EveryMan".

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Winnie G@Feb 26 2004, 01:09 PM
Do you think that it could have an in packed on my son who has not stepped in side a church since her was a young man? This is the only thing that will make me go, is for him he said he felt the need to see this, using the words “What he did for ME” was what made me sit up and yet not able to say a word.
This is so important I dare not miss it if it will help him forgive and heal????
Don’t BS me on this one guys, my son is 26 now and suffers in his own hell and deep loneliness even with a family and son around him. I need to know your thoughts on it.
We are seeing Friday night if I need to back out tell me.

I think you should go with him. Especially since he feels compelled to see it. I believe you said that he believed in God until he suffered a horrible experience and then stopped believing because God let it happen to him. Maybe it would help him to know that Jesus also suffered--far more than any of us ever will. I don't know him, so I can't even guess his reaction, but if it's his idea I think you should support him in it.

February 26, 2004

Originally posted by Kevin@Feb 26 2004, 02:33 PM
Perhaps others have and I'm just insensitive.

I don't think it means that you are insensitive (even though I usually think you are.) Maybe it isn't even necessarily "the spirit" that moves people to tears in this movie. It may be the reality of the pain and sacrifice made for us. Intense physical suffering is foreign to most modern people. Graphic violence is hard for me to watch too. I fainted in fifth grade watching footage of the holocaust aftermath. I just think it will be personal for every member of the audience. I don't think anyone is wrong or right for their reaction.

Jenda · February 26, 2004

Originally posted by JLHyde+Feb 26 2004, 03:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JLHyde @ Feb 26 2004, 03:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Kevin@Feb 26 2004, 03:33 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Winnie G@Feb 26 2004, 01:09 PM
Do you think that it could have an in packed on my son who has not stepped in side a church since her was a young man? This is the only thing that will make me go, is for him he said he felt the need to see this, using the words “What he did for ME” was what made me sit up and yet not able to say a word.
This is so important I dare not miss it if it will help him forgive and heal????
Don’t BS me on this one guys, my son is 26 now and suffers in his own hell and deep loneliness even with a family and son around him. I need to know your thoughts on it.
We are seeing Friday night if I need to back out tell me.

Winnie, this is a tough decision you have to make. I don't know what to tell you. I recommend D&C Section 9: 8-9. I didn't care for the movie - it was extremely gruesome for extended periods of time. I think Mel Gibson was going for maximum shock value and if he didn't get it he came close. I'm not sure how seeing all of the gore would help your son. I think feeling the Spirit of God would have the greatest effect and I certainly didn't feel such during this movie. Perhaps others have and I'm just insensitive.