Missouri... A Theocracy?

[Snow]

Missouri has introduced legislation that would make Christianity Missouri's official majority religion saying that the country was founded on Christian ideals and values....

http://www.progressiveu.org/105507-are-we-...i-leads-the-way

Next thing you know they will issue an "extermination order" for all non-Christians.

[prisonchaplain]

Missouri has introduced legislation that would make Christianity Missouri's official majority religion saying that the country was founded on Christian ideals and values....

http://www.progressiveu.org/105507-are-we-...i-leads-the-way

Next thing you know they will issue an "extermination order" for all non-Christians.

Obviously this move is a reaction against such incidences as 10-Commandment placards being removed from public buildings, the Pledge of Allegiance being declared unconstitutional, etc. Right or wrong, many Christians sense that the tail is wagging the dog. So, they bark at "Happy Holidays" (in the stead of Merry Christmas), and they propose legislation declaring Christianity offical at state or local levels.

The move is a feel-good, highly symbolic, pretty unChristlike reaction that apparently isn't getting much attention from major media sources (my google only found one reference, and not from an objective source).

Such discriminatory verbage is already technically in place in several constitutions, but has no legal weight. See the attached:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/texas.htm

[Snow]

Obviously this move is a reaction against such incidences as 10-Commandment placards being removed from public buildings, the Pledge of Allegiance being declared unconstitutional, etc. Right or wrong, many Christians sense that the tail is wagging the dog. So, they bark at "Happy Holidays" (in the stead of Merry Christmas), and they propose legislation declaring Christianity offical at state or local levels.

The move is a feel-good, highly symbolic, pretty unChristlike reaction that apparently isn't getting much attention from major media sources (my google only found one reference, and not from an objective source).

Such discriminatory verbage is already technically in place in several constitutions, but has no legal weight. See the attached:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/texas.htm

I have a bit of a different, if not biased, view... in that for 150 years, it was, by government order, legal (though not practically feasible) to murder Mormons on sight for no other reason than that they were Mormon.

I say that Missourians appear not to have lost their hate-mongering bigotry.

[roman]

In those days how could you tell a person was mormon---soly by sight. what in a persons appearance ditermined they were mormon?

just curious

[Outshined]

It was the hats.

Or the horns...

[Snow]

In those days how could you tell a person was mormon---soly by sight. what in a persons appearance ditermined they were mormon?

just curious

They were the ones who had been beaten and whose homes had been burned, and their farms stolen by the other "Christians."

[roman]

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In those days how could you tell a person was mormon---soly by sight. what in a persons appearance ditermined they were mormon?

just curious

They were the ones who had been beaten and whose homes had been burned, and their farms stolen by the other "Christians."

That is after the fact--responce-snow. If I was in that area at that time and came accross a person--out on the range so to speak--how could I tell he was mormon---without speaking to him or even knowing anything about him---just by looking, as you have said

It was the hats.

Or the horns...

you sure it wasn't the shoes or boots

[Snow]

It's just a bit of bitter sarcasm Roman.

You couldn't tell a Mormon to look at them. Up until recentlty, they had all been Baptists, Methodists, Congregationalist, etc; but it wasn't a matter of recognizing them by their features or dress. They were folks in Jackson County with property and churches, and a temple, with farms and businesses. They were known to the vipers that drove them out through fear, intimidation, murder and theft.

[roman]

It's just a bit of bitter sarcasm Roman.

You couldn't tell a Mormon to look at them. Up until recentlty, they had all been Baptists, Methodists, Congregationalist, etc; but it wasn't a matter of recognizing them by their features or dress. They were folks in Jackson County with property and churches, and a temple, with farms and businesses. They were known to the vipers that drove them out through fear, intimidation, murder and theft.

well no kidding---Just wanted to see how far you would go

[prisonchaplain]

[i have a bit of a different, if not biased, view... in that for 150 years, it was, by government order, legal (though not practically feasible) to murder Mormons on sight for no other reason than that they were Mormon.

I say that Missourians appear not to have lost their hate-mongering bigotry.

I was pretty active in the Religious Right for about 15 years, having joined the Moral Majority as a high schooler, and actively campaigning for Reagan, with Young Americans for Freedom (we were too ideologically pure to be Young Republicans ). What was on our radar screen was opposing abortion, restricting gambling and pornography, restoring school prayer, allowing creation science, and opposing the Equal Rights Amendment. Mormons were nowhere on the radar screen, except that I heard overtures had been made encouraging you to join us. Today, most of the issues are the same. You may not agree with them, but there was always something of a seige mentality, a victim-status. We are the majority, yet we are being marginalized by activist judges and the liberal media elite.

As interesting, and difficult as Mormon history might be, it is an obscurity to most Americans, and even those who would discriminate, generally would go after Minorities, homosexuals, Jews and Catholics, before you even appeared on the radar screen.

[matilda]

This is probably a stupid question but here it goes anyway:

If we don't do or change things because it offends others because of religious or nonreligious believes, Am I not inturn being offended?

Asking because I do feel offended at times when things I take pride in is screamed about and the dragged off to never seen again. The flag was on its way out also until 9-11 and then the pride came back into the hearts of the people.

I think we have gone over board on this and we have chained ourselfs to the point of no freedom except for someone else who doesn't feel it. Lady Justice is loosing her balance.

[Palerider]

It was legal to shoot a Mormon here in Misery....Missouri until the 80's. I believe it was John Ashcroft who took the law off the books during his term as Gov...

[miztrniceguy]

It was legal to shoot a Mormon here in Misery....Missouri until the 80's. I believe it was John Ashcroft who took the law off the books during his term as Gov...

just wondered where in MO everyone is, as I am in Liberty, MO :)

[Palerider]

I am from St.Louis Missouri.....home of the ST.LOUIS CARDINALS and RAMS and the up and coming ST.LOUIS BLUES..............LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[miztrniceguy]

I am from St.Louis Missouri.....home of the ST.LOUIS CARDINALS and RAMS and the up and coming ST.LOUIS BLUES..............LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ya want the st louis royals to go along with them?

I am from St.Louis Missouri.....home of the ST.LOUIS CARDINALS and RAMS and the up and coming ST.LOUIS BLUES..............LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

btw my wife got endowed in st louis a week before our wedding (in nauvoo)

[Serg]

Snow;

What would be your position towards OUR religion becoming the official one in the nations? Youu know that the Church teaches that we are to rule the world(beginning before the 2nd coming), and when the nations meet their stupid governments, they will come to us, and the priesthood...lol.

[Snow]

Snow;

What would be your position towards OUR religion becoming the official one in the nations? Youu know that the Church teaches that we are to rule the world(beginning before the 2nd coming), and when the nations meet their stupid governments, they will come to us, and the priesthood...lol.

I'd want to shoot myself.

The time might come when that's appropriate but I'd wouldn't want that time to be tomorrow or even next Friday.

[miztrniceguy]

It was legal to shoot a Mormon here in Misery....Missouri until the 80's. I believe it was John Ashcroft who took the law off the books during his term as Gov...

my wife says kit bond rescinded it in 1976

[Snow]

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It was legal to shoot a Mormon here in Misery....Missouri until the 80's. I believe it was John Ashcroft who took the law off the books during his term as Gov...

my wife says kit bond rescinded it in 1976

WHEREAS, on October 27, 1838, the Governor of the State of Missouri, Lilburn W. Boggs, signed an order calling for the extermination or expulsion of Mormons from the State of Missouri; and

WHEREAS, Governor Boggs' order clearly contravened the rights to life, liberty, property and religious freedom as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, as well as the Constitution of the State of Missouri; and

WHEREAS, in this bicentennial year as we reflect on our nation's heritage, the exercise of religious freedom is without question one of the basic tenets of our free democratic republic;

Now, THEREFORE, I, CHRISTOPHER S. BOND, Governor of the State of Missouri, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the State of Missouri, do hereby order as follows: Expressing on behalf of all Missourians our deep regret for the injustice and undue suffering which was caused by the 1838 order, I hereby rescind Executive Order Number 44, dated October 27, 1838, issued by Governor W. Boggs.

In witness I have hereunto set my hand and caused to be affixed the great seal of the State of Missouri, in the city of Jefferson, on this 25 day of June, 1976.

(Signed) Christopher S. Bond, Governor.

[Richard Neitzel Holzapfel and T. Jeffery Cottle, Old Mormon Kirtland and Missouri (Santa Anna, CA: Fieldbrook Productions, Inc., 1991), 283-285, 306]