Lost_one Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 I was looking through my closet today and found an old Garment top. When I was excommunicated, my ex-wife and I took all my garments into the garden and burned them in a big metal drum. It was to help us to make a clean start. Obviously it didn't work, due mainly to older issues. I still think it was a good idea at the time. I will admit to popping it on for a bit. Felt nice. Kinda pretended for a few seconds that the whole excommunication thing never happened, then obviously had to take it off. Felt empty. Anyway, not sure what to do with it. At first I thought I should throw it out. My worry is that someone might find it and if they know what it is.............Maybe I'm just being paranoid. My fear is if I keep it, I will be constantly tempted to put it on. Then I thought I could hand it in to my Bishop. My conclussion is that I wan't to keep it, But not be disrespectful to God or the church, so thought that simply picking out the symbols would be enough and then it would just be a normal t shirt. The problem with this is that even without the symbols, it still carries the memories of what it was and what it still means to me. I'm aware that its just a piece of cloth, But even the thought of removing the stitching of the symbols feels disrespectful. That just sounded like idolatry huh? Hopefully you guys understand what I'm talking about. Quote
rameumptom Posted April 5, 2011 Report Posted April 5, 2011 The normal way to get rid of a garment is first to cut out the markings and toss them. The rest of the shirt is just a shirt afterward (with holes in it). I do not consider it idolatrous what you are doing. I think you have some special memories, and that's good. Personally, if I were excommunicated, I would retain the one garment as is, and pull it out of my drawer once in a while to look at and feel, in order to remind me of why I'd want to be re-baptized and restored to former blessings. Quote
Lost_one Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Posted April 5, 2011 The normal way to get rid of a garment is first to cut out the markings and toss them. The rest of the shirt is just a shirt afterward (with holes in it).I do not consider it idolatrous what you are doing. I think you have some special memories, and that's good. Personally, if I were excommunicated, I would retain the one garment as is, and pull it out of my drawer once in a while to look at and feel, in order to remind me of why I'd want to be re-baptized and restored to former blessings.That was my first thought. A reminder of why I wan't to be re-baptized. I just worry that I will be tempted to put it on from time to time. Quote
RipplecutBuddha Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 Well, but that's not a bad temptation really. What you could do is use them to realize what you need to get done to earn the privilege of putting them on again worthily. I see it as a great tactile reminder of what is most important in God's eyes for your future. He's not so much tempting you with them as he is hoping you'll remember how it felt when you first wore them, and that the memory will help you complete the needed steps. Remember the joy, peace and happiness God has helped you feel in your life and also remember that such feelings are what he wants you to feel for the majority of your life. You can get it back, and God is on your side to help when you need it. Quote
Lost_one Posted April 6, 2011 Author Report Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Well, but that's not a bad temptation really. What you could do is use them to realize what you need to get done to earn the privilege of putting them on again worthily. I see it as a great tactile reminder of what is most important in God's eyes for your future. He's not so much tempting you with them as he is hoping you'll remember how it felt when you first wore them, and that the memory will help you complete the needed steps.Remember the joy, peace and happiness God has helped you feel in your life and also remember that such feelings are what he wants you to feel for the majority of your life. You can get it back, and God is on your side to help when you need it.Perhaps temptation was the wrong word. I feel an urge to wear them worthily. I will say though that my testimony of garments is no where near the strength of my testimony of tithing. I guess the reason is the tactile nature of the garment. Edited April 6, 2011 by Lost_one Quote
rameumptom Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 I understand the temptation. I think that as long as you are not wearing it on a daily basis, but just holding it up to yourself to remember, it is a good thing. That is one of the key teachings of the Book of Mormon: remember. And if keeping the garment where you can hold it occasionally keeps you moving in the right direction, go for it. Quote
applepansy Posted April 6, 2011 Report Posted April 6, 2011 The normal way to get rid of a garment is first to cut out the markings and toss them. The rest of the shirt is just a shirt afterward (with holes in it).I do not consider it idolatrous what you are doing. I think you have some special memories, and that's good. Personally, if I were excommunicated, I would retain the one garment as is, and pull it out of my drawer once in a while to look at and feel, in order to remind me of why I'd want to be re-baptized and restored to former blessings.The temple instruction is to cut out the markings, then cut the marking in half or fourths so that they are unrecognizable. Then with the "shirt with holes" cut it up like you would any old shirt for rags...again so that its not a shirt anymore. After that its just rags. However, I throw them away at that point.I agree with Ramemptom. Its not a bad thing to keep a reminder of why you're working so hard to be rebaptized. Best Wishes. Quote
Guest saintish Posted July 7, 2011 Report Posted July 7, 2011 I know this is an old thread but I’ll put my 2 cents in. I’m pretty sure that once you are excommunicated they direct you that you can continue to wear the garments if you remove the symbols (which you can do without cutting holes into the fabric) Quote
slamjet Posted July 7, 2011 Report Posted July 7, 2011 I know this is an old thread but I’ll put my 2 cents in. I’m pretty sure that once you are excommunicated they direct you that you can continue to wear the garments if you remove the symbols (which you can do without cutting holes into the fabric)No such direction. They tell you that you are no longer permitted to wear the temple garments. No direction of "if you cut them out it's permissible" is given. Just that it's no longer permitted. Quote
Guest saintish Posted July 7, 2011 Report Posted July 7, 2011 No such direction. They tell you that you are no longer permitted to wear the temple garments. No direction of "if you cut them out it's permissible" is given. Just that it's no longer permitted.I know you have experience with this, but you can't speak in generalizations. That is what they are supposed to say, don't be crappy with me if that's not what happened in your case. Quote
slamjet Posted July 7, 2011 Report Posted July 7, 2011 I know you have experience with this, but you can't speak in generalizations. That is what they are supposed to say, don't be crappy with me if that's not what happened in your case.Uhm, wow. I do have experience with this and I can assure you that when they pronounce a person excommunicated, they don't say "you cannot wear the garments unless ______ .", you just went specific when you said that's what they're suppose to say and in any case, please show me where there is the script of "suppose to say" for disciplinary hearings, and if you read what I posted as me being crappy with you, then, I dunno, maybe you need to step away from the computer for a while. Quote
lost123 Posted July 7, 2011 Report Posted July 7, 2011 Might I just add....go talk to your Bishop about your desires to be re-baptized. Seriously. It is within reach...even if your wife does not desire it. It will take repenting of those things that got you to that point BUT it is within reach. It sounds like you have the desire. KEEP THOSE DESIRES but a more tactile way to make it happen is by contacting the Bishop and letting him know. I don't see there is anything wrong with you keeping it as a reminder. It doesn't appear you are making a mockery of it. That's just my two cents worth. Quote
Guest saintish Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 Uhm, wow. I do have experience with this and I can assure you that when they pronounce a person excommunicated, they don't say "you cannot wear the garments unless ______ .".I cant help it if they failed to mention that to you., you just went specific when you said that's what they're suppose to say and in any case, please show me where there is the script of "suppose to say" for disciplinary hearings,I don't know about a script but i know what the policy is. and if you read what I posted as me being crappy with you, then, I dunno, maybe you need to step away from the computer for a while.Maybe you need to worry a little bit more about keeping your nose clean and fixing your own problems and not telling me what to do. Quote
slamjet Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 Maybe you need to worry a little bit more about keeping your nose clean and fixing your own problems and not telling me what to do.I am truly miffed, I have no idea what I posted that got you so upset. If you read something that you took personally, well, I have no control over you and thus not much I'm going to do about that. But if you take things so personally from a forum, then may I suggest you get an understanding that not everything posted is a dig, just a comment.So cool your jets and get real, I posted a comment, not an attack. If you are so sensitive as to take it other than it was meant then quite frankly, I can careless. Quote
Guest saintish Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 If you are so sensitive as to take it other than it was meant then quite frankly, I can careless.See, you just did it there again. You've got quite the bad attidude. You take no responsibility. Whatever, i'm just going to drop it if you want to be a jerk its no skin off my back. Quote
slamjet Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 This is just so immensely trite and dull. As I stated before, take it any way you want, I can careless. You're the one responsible for your feelings of insult where none was intended nor posted, not me. Go ahead and continue to lash out. Outside of that, I'm dropping this thread. Quote
ctr123 Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 I'm just curious how a thread goes from helping someone or giving oppinons to this. Is this a joke that I'm to new to recognize? If not sorry for you slamjet you didn't deserve that. If so well you got me. Just wanting to know. Quote
applepansy Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Um no he did deserve it.I don't get it either. You seem easily offended by words others don't see as offensive. Edited July 8, 2011 by applepansy said it nicer Quote
Guest saintish Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 · Hidden Hidden He's a jerk, he's been a jerk to me since i have joined this site and he's been a jerk to others as well. i'm not going to be pushed around by anyone anymore. I've tried to reason with him both on the forums and through private messages but he just doesn't let it go.
mordorbund Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 I don't know about a script but i know what the policy is.Please provide a reference for the policy (even if it's personal experience). I'd hate to repeat what you said as policy and have someone ask me about where I heard it. I'd have to sheepishly admit "the Interwebs".If you provide me a reference, I can say "the Interwebs. And I've independently verified it with blah blah blah." Quote
john doe Posted July 8, 2011 Report Posted July 8, 2011 Let's try to keep it civil in here. There is no reason for this subject to create friction. Quote
Guest saintish Posted July 9, 2011 Report Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Please provide a reference for the policy (even if it's personal experience). I'd hate to repeat what you said as policy and have someone ask me about where I heard it. I'd have to sheepishly admit "the Interwebs".If you provide me a reference, I can say "the Interwebs. And I've independently verified it with blah blah blah."I believe it is (or was the las time i saw one) in the CHI but i no longer am in a calling where i have ready access to one and haven't seen the 2010 edition. I do know for fact that i have heard SP's say this when i was sitting on a disiplinary counsel.*as a side note I believe this is intended for members who have no other underware, to provide them with something until they may get some. Edited July 9, 2011 by saintish * Quote
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