Who's Qualified To Explain Lds Teachings To Nonmembers?

[Jason]

Jason,

I have my “reasoning” for believing what I believe and I have explained much of my "reasoning" to you, so your characterization of me saying that I “just believe” things is truly not in harmony with all truth… and is simply one more example of what you see and believe that I can see and believe very differently.

Does that "reasoning" include your emotions and sensory stimuli? Because if it does, then it does not fall within the bounds of the term "reason".

[prisonchaplain]

Do you have any slots available?

You don't mind triple-bunking do you? We're kinda full, but always looking to reduce our per capita spending by increasing headcount.

[Ray]

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Jason,

I have my “reasoning” for believing what I believe and I have explained much of my "reasoning" to you, so your characterization of me saying that I “just believe” things is truly not in harmony with all truth… and is simply one more example of what you see and believe that I can see and believe very differently.

Does that "reasoning" include your emotions and sensory stimuli? Because if it does, then it does not fall within the bounds of the term "reason".

No. The "emotions and sensory stimuli" I receive from God simply let me know that my reasoning is true.

I call it the feeling of being "assured" by God, or the "Faith" to know when things are really true.

Reasoning is simply some "reasons" to believe, but without Faith we wouldn't know what is true.

And btw, I use the word faith with a capitol "F" to refer to an assurance from God, with a little "f" to refer to my faith or assurance in Him.

[prisonchaplain]

Does that "reasoning" include your emotions and sensory stimuli? Because if it does, then it does not fall within the bounds of the term "reason".

Spock was always right, but occasionally Capt. Kirk went with his emotions anyway.

[Jason]

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Jason,

I have my “reasoning” for believing what I believe and I have explained much of my "reasoning" to you, so your characterization of me saying that I “just believe” things is truly not in harmony with all truth… and is simply one more example of what you see and believe that I can see and believe very differently.

Does that "reasoning" include your emotions and sensory stimuli? Because if it does, then it does not fall within the bounds of the term "reason".

No. The "emotions and sensory stimuli" I receive from God simply let me know that my reasoning is true.

I call it the feeling of being "assured" by God, or the "Faith" to know when things are really true.

Reasoning is simply some "reasons" to believe, but without Faith we wouldn't know what is true.

I would love to help you understand why you just substantiated what I said, while attempting to deny it, but what's the point?

[Ray]

My reasoning doesn't include emotions or sensory stimuli, Jason. My reasoning is logic alone.

And when I have Faith (or an assurance from God) to support my reasoning, I know that my reasoning is true.

And Spock also would not have known anything he ever really knew without using his emotions as well as his logic. But he was always very good at figuring out the odds of all things and then use those to help prove his points.

[StrawberryFields]

Please don't turn this into the Jason vs Ray show. The question was simple.

[miztrniceguy]

Please don't turn this into the Jason vs Ray show. The question was simple.

Is Ticketmaster handling the tickets, or will the be given out by the Bishop and Stake Pres?

[Guest MrsS]

Spock was always right, but occasionally Capt. Kirk went with his emotions anyway.

You can beam them up Scotty ~ please be fast though, the Klingons are getting a bit too close!

[CaptainTux]

AAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO STAR TREK REFERENCES!!!!!!!

I am a geek. I take pride in my geekdom, but ST is not my cup of tea.

It was the death of modern sci fi that is slowly being brought back to real stories.

The cancellation of Enterprise and the incarnation of shows like Farscape and Firefly have given me hope for a proper sci fi future where stories are innovative and imaginative and the human experience is not the superior one and God is not pushed into a happy little agnostic world.

ST is a great show....to poop on!

(Tux runs and ducks knowing that toy communicators are about to be flung at him)

[Ray]

Those are only good memories to me now, Captain. From a time long, long ago...

I watched the originals when just a wee lad and continued to watch... not just because I liked the idea of the show, but because I could remember those "feelings' I had when I watched it when I just was a wee lad with my family.

Can you relate what I'm talking about here? Do you value your childhood memories? Some of my memories are the best ones that I have... but not because I really liked being a child, but because of that "feeling" I had... the same type of "feeling" I still try to hang onto as I continue to be more of a Man.

But I still like the idea and continue to want to go boldly into what I don't know to learn.

:)

[CaptainTux]

I will give you TOS. Gene's creation was new and innovative and challenged our social folkways and mores and the influence it had on you and many other children was valuable.

I even liked the Next Gen until Roddenberry died. After that, it went downhill fast.

Gene's vision was key to the quality of the show. At times I lump the rest of trek in with the original...myopic of me. I apologize. TOS was meant and potatoes...the rest was twinkies and ho ho's. ;-)

[Maureen]

AAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO STAR TREK REFERENCES!!!!!!!

I am a geek. I take pride in my geekdom, but ST is not my cup of tea.

It was the death of modern sci fi that is slowly being brought back to real stories.

The cancellation of Enterprise and the incarnation of shows like Farscape and Firefly have given me hope for a proper sci fi future where stories are innovative and imaginative and the human experience is not the superior one and God is not pushed into a happy little agnostic world.

ST is a great show....to poop on!

(Tux runs and ducks knowing that toy communicators are about to be flung at him)

It is not logical to fling communicators, instead some insightful words regarding Star Trek:

Cultural impact

The Star Trek anthology is one of the most culturally influential television shows – and perhaps the most influential science fiction TV series – in history. The original series (TOS), which aired in the late sixties, has since yielded four successor series, ten feature films, a plethora of merchandise, and a multibillion dollar industry collectively known as the Star Trek franchise (owned by Paramount). Arguably, only the Star Wars franchise has had as great an impact as a science fiction and pop culture phenomenon.

Gene Roddenberry sold TOS to NBC as a classic adventure drama -- he pitched the show as "Wagon Train to the stars." Though set on a fictional starship, Roddenberry wanted to tell more sophisticated stories using futuristic situations as analogies for current problems on Earth and rectifying them through humanism and optimism. The opening line "to boldly go where no man has gone before" was taken almost verbatim from a US White House booklet on space produced after the Sputnik flight in 1957. The central trio of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy was modelled on classical mythological storytelling. Harking of human diversity and contemporaneous political circumstances, Roddenberry included a multiethnic crew.

While there were other successful science fiction TV shows at the time, TOS broke new ground. It was the first aimed at adults that told of morality tales with complex narratives. During its initial run from 1966 to 1969, TOS did not garner substantial TV ratings and was almost cancelled after its second season. After a letter-writing campaign by fans, NBC reversed its decision and renewed the series for a third season. NBC put the show in a timeslot when it was watched by few, and it was cancelled after its third season.

Underlying the influence of Star Trek and the fictional titular starship, a letter-writing campaign compelled NASA to name the inaugural (and test) space shuttle Enterprise in 1976.In 1976, following another letter-writing campaign, NASA named its first space shuttle, Enterprise, after the fictional starship....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_trek

Next time the Discovery Channel airs: How William Shatner changed the World, I recommend watching:

http://discoveryanz.com/how_william_shatne...nged_the_world/

It might surprise you.

M. - a mild manner Trekkie, who drives her kids crazy with blurbs of anything Trekkish -

[CaptainTux]

Again, I grant you TOS.

After Gene died, it all became formula and new ground became trite...in my opinion. My wife can testify that my opinion is often wrong.

The sci fi on TV that I have enjoyed have been

ST:TOS

BSG (TOS)

Farscape

Firefly

V: the miniseries

The Twilight Zone

That is about it.

I am in great fear over Lucas' upcoming SW tv series.

[Maureen]

The sci fi on TV that I have enjoyed have been

ST:TOS

BSG (TOS)

Farscape

Firefly

V: the miniseries

The Twilight Zone

I am a fan of Farscape and Firefly and I highly recommend the newer series of BSG. Here in Canada S2 just finished and it was great entertainment. Of all the shows I watch during a fall to spring lineup (and I watch a lot) BSG was my favorite. I'm looking forward to S3 starting in October.

M.

[CaptainTux]

I love EJO, but it is hard for me to warm up to the new BSG. I think it is well written, I think I am hung up on the name. Not a good reason...maybe I will give it a chance.

[Maureen]

I love EJO, but it is hard for me to warm up to the new BSG. I think it is well written, I think I am hung up on the name. Not a good reason...maybe I will give it a chance.

They introduced the new BSG with a mini-series. So I recommend viewing the mini-series first - if that doesn't hook you, then it's hopeless and you'll never really know the excitement of the new and improved BSG. (I probably shouldn't compare BSC (TOS) and the newer series, they are so different.)

M.