porterrockwell Posted March 6, 2004 Report Posted March 6, 2004 Originally posted by sgallan@Mar 5 2004, 10:43 PM Well that explains the reason for your attitudes against the Mormon church....and for homosexuals life stye.... *****Only the fundamentalist mindset would put such a black/white paradigm on such a thing. I shred the critics of this church, and their myopia, far more than I shred your institution. **** Did you know just how suttle a deciever Satan and his gang are? ****No. But I am sure you are going to tell me.*** You don't even know how much he has to do with how you view things...that's how sutter he is.****In comparison with your version of God he seems to be the better of the two. I'll hang with him. You seem to believe in a version of God which calls good as bad. And who does not like anybody save the .008% of humanity who believes as you do. Funny, I have a hard time seeing any love in such a being. Say, in the next month I will; visit a prison (don't have too) to help educate and support people who have had screwed up lives turn themselves around. Perhaps stopping the familial cycle as well. Coach countless kids, help in three tournaments, spend too much money on entry fees for kids not my own (and gas of course), be a Daddy of course, husband, and more. Just this week; a tournament, rolling up the mats, coaching for three hours and some mentoring, an hour watching Reni get a Blue belt, taught in my daughters class this afternoon (volunteer), am helping a HS kid chase a dream (he is 215 pounds and I am 150 - it is just awful on my body), and probably some stuff I forgot. I do this despite suffering from chronic fatigue. But of course your God thinks this is all bad. Upside down..... good is bad and bad is good except when it's not and vice-versa. The fundamentalists hate that I do this stuff. It messes up their preconceptions. They get really weird, snippy, and sometimes cruel. I am used to it. Kinda of like it even. First off, the Lord appreciate all the service and compassion you put into your life. Don't spin posts like that and put words in our mouths. We are not addressing you "service", but rather you view on "social" issues. That is where works do not allow you to progress, when your views and beliefs don't fall in line with the Lords. So many people think that we believe in working to get to heaven, however, your case is a perfect example of why one must be in harmony with the Lord for his works to be sufficient for progression. You do all the great things in the world, but if your beliefs aren't structured around that of the Lord's, you have not come to know him, nor have you made well of your probationary state. You see nothing wrong with homosexuality, or pornography, and I'm sure alcohol for that matter. These are not in harmony with the Lord's plan. 2+_=4 doesn't work. You need the other 2 to equal that of eternal progression. Faith without works is dead, but works alone do not merit eternal salvation. For works even when good works, without respect to law that is harmonious with the Lord's is all for not. Also, to Rodney, if we could not fall victim to simply because we have agency, then by that estimation all would be perfect. By dwelling in, or sampling of temptation you give way to the influence(however great or small that influence may be) of Satan and thus fall victim to his dominion until the time when you are willing to turn from him and seek forgiveness. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 6, 2004 Report Posted March 6, 2004 Originally posted by sgallan@Mar 5 2004, 09:43 PM Well that explains the reason for your attitudes against the Mormon church....and for homosexuals life stye.... *****Only the fundamentalist mindset would put such a black/white paradigm on such a thing. I shred the critics of this church, and their myopia, far more than I shred your institution. **** Did you know just how subtle a deciever Satan and his gang are? ****No. But I am sure you are going to tell me.*** You don't even know how much he has to do with how you view things...that's how subtle he is.****In comparison with your version of God he seems to be the better of the two. I'll hang with him. You seem to believe in a version of God which calls good as bad. And who does not like anybody save the .008% of humanity who believes as you do. Funny, I have a hard time seeing any love in such a being. Say, in the next month I will; visit a prison (don't have too) to help educate and support people who have had screwed up lives turn themselves around. Perhaps stopping the familial cycle as well. Coach countless kids, help in three tournaments, spend too much money on entry fees for kids not my own (and gas of course), be a Daddy of course, husband, and more. Just this week; a tournament, rolling up the mats, coaching for three hours and some mentoring, an hour watching Reni get a Blue belt, taught in my daughters class this afternoon (volunteer), am helping a HS kid chase a dream (he is 215 pounds and I am 150 - it is just awful on my body), and probably some stuff I forgot. I do this despite suffering from chronic fatigue. But of course your God thinks this is all bad. Upside down..... good is bad and bad is good except when it's not and vice-versa. The fundamentalists hate that I do this stuff. It messes up their preconceptions. They get really weird, snippy, and sometimes cruel. I am used to it. Kinda of like it even. Trying to pigeonhole Mormons as fundamentalist...just cries of 'futilism'...on your part.Shred? what does that mean in real terms.And your opinion of the church isn't new...infact it sounds like you are quoting a thousand 'fundamental ex-mos'. Everything is black and white...good and evil...just to differing degrees.My version of God? LOL Another one of the 'fundamental ex-mos' game plays.God is good and loving .... you just don't know or understand His ways...Do you even remember He/Christ supped with and hung out with sinners? He didn't condemn them for their sins... "Go and sin no more" was what he told them.... but He did hang out with them. And He is God....my God.You like to tell yourself fairytales about what you like to term ''my God"...but who is being the prejudicial party here? You are...plain and simple....you like to consider yourself better than 'my God'....which is really laughable since he created the body you wressle with...and the body of the guy you wressel with and take glory for....And your term fundamentalists...is just so inaccurate and telling of your lack of knowledge...that I won't even comment further. Quote
Rodney Posted March 6, 2004 Report Posted March 6, 2004 Originally posted by curvette+Mar 5 2004, 11:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (curvette @ Mar 5 2004, 11:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Rodney@Mar 5 2004, 04:15 PM You mean we have no choice in the matter, i.e., to become addicted to pornography? No. I was responding to your comments about clicking on porn sites. Sometimes you can click on a site as benign as guitar tabs and still suddenly be confronted with explicit porn pictures. Yes, I realized what you were responding to and agree completely with your comments. I was trying to clarify the question I posed a few posts prior. Quote
Rodney Posted March 6, 2004 Report Posted March 6, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 6 2004, 12:49 AM Everything is black and white...good and evil...just to differing degrees. Stop a moment and think about what you've written here. Do you know what the differing degrees of black and white are? How many shades of gray do you suppose there are? Quote
Snow Posted March 6, 2004 Author Report Posted March 6, 2004 Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 5 2004, 09:26 PM I didn't know there was a muderer by the name of Porter Rockwell, nor would associate as such with something to the slightest degree. Porter,You mean you have never heard of the serial killer/mass murderer Porter Rockwell and simple selected the two word, Porter and Rockwell, cuz they sound nice together and had no idea that they came from a brutal and efficient assasin?Sure, Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.So I get that you don't like porn. Great. That's not really the issue. Something like beating up an innocent kid you see on the street violates the precepts of the gospel on several logical fronts. If is contrary to the golden rule. It is unkind and the gospel is kind. It is unjust. That's easily and logically understandable.On the other hand, if someone reads Playboy, how has that messed with the gospel, other than the obedience issue? Quote
porterrockwell Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 You can believe whatever you like about my screename. I have never heard of a serial killer by the name of Porter Rockwell, nor would I promote someone that did such things. Pornography is another way for Satan to play to our carnal lust. Such weaknesses of the flesh prohibit us from attaining the progression and Christ-like image that was intended for this mortal probation. It is smut and it draws people away from the spirit, without which we are submissive not the Lord's will, but the will of the Natural Man. Unfortunately, the envelope is continually pushed and pretty soon we will be seeing full frontal nudity on FOX. Oh but don't worry america, it will be tasteful, and their will be a warning. There was a really cool quote from "For Love of the Game", Gus walks into the the room of perenial pitcher Billy Chapel(fictional character) and sees a cluttered nighstand accompanied by a glass. He picks up one of the small wet bar bottles and says "Alotta little bottles makes a big bottle Chappy". Same goes with sin, you never start off doing the really serious things in life, but the more Satan can rely on your natural man to lead you astray, you'll baby-step you way a mile past the line. Then when you finally catch yourself, you can't tow the line, let alone see it. Pornography is a very selfish lust as well, it is abusive to a relationship. And it brings those from their spouses into a covetous environment. As a man thinketh so is he! And in many, many cases as a man thinketh so shall he do! Quote
sgallan Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Pornography is another way for Satan to play to our carnal lust. *** Sex is bad. ** Unfortunately, the envelope is continually pushed and pretty soon we will be seeing full frontal nudity on FOX.**** Wow. The human body is evil to be sure. **** Pornography is a very selfish lust as well, **** Selfish has it's place. For example; if I wasn't selfish towards my own well being during the worst of my wife's battles with alcoholism and addiction it very well may have brought both of us down. ** it is abusive to a relationship.*** Speak for yourself. I have been in a long term relationship and it's getting along just fine. *** And it brings those from their spouses into a covetous environment.**** Perhaps for you. Not for me. To illustrate (I have lots of stories).... early on in my relationship with my future wife we had one of those really weird fights that drugs and alcohol induce. She left. The last words were the new relationship was over. Later that day a girl who had the hots for me in a big way came over. I had a bit of a party at my house. This girl and I took some major league hallucinagins. I was literally out of my mind. Yet, even though I had supposedly broken up, even though this girl was all over me, even though I was almost entirely incapacitated, I was STILL faithful, as it was too soon, and I had a feeling the sitaution would work out. Denise came back the next evening and we worked it out. *** As a man thinketh so is he! And in many, many cases as a man thinketh so shall he do! **** How do you explain the likes of me then? Quote
Snow Posted March 7, 2004 Author Report Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by porterrockwell@Mar 6 2004, 07:47 PM You can believe whatever you like about my screename. It has nothing to do with what I believe. It is a matter of historical fact. Such weaknesses of the flesh prohibit us from attaining the progression and Christ-like image that was intended for this mortal probation. Uh, yeah, that sounds a little false and hollow coming from someone named Porter Rockwell. Quote
Tr2 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Pornography is NOT the problem. Pornography is just another way for people to medicate their problems. I found that it was very destructive to my relationships with other women (if you can even call them relationships). I've seen so many people who think that if they just dump the porn they'll be ok. That's about as smart as trying to kill and apple tree by picking off all the apples, thinking they won't grow back. There is a reason why most recovering alcoholics pick up some other addiction when they give up the bottle.But of course your God thinks this is all badPersonally, I think God jusdges the motives behind your service rather than your service itself. I do think that the work, you've told me, you with your wrestling students and all the other work you do is nothing short of fantastic. Quote
Behunin Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by sgallan@Mar 6 2004, 09:10 PM Sex is bad. Is this from personal experience? Quote
Tr2 Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 QUOTE (sgallan @ Mar 6 2004, 09:10 PM)Sex is bad.Is this from personal experience? I may be mistaken, but it seems like he's noticed how most religious people see sex as something that is evil and shouldn't be talked about. I can't honestly disagree. Quote
Jason Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Spyware comes from many places: "free" game sites, "free" cursor sites, and other such places. BUT when you remove it with adaware or spybot, if it comes up as "sextracker" or some such piece of spyware, you can pretty much tell that they didn't get that from a free version of pac-man! Jason Quote
sgallan Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Is this from personal experience? **** The badder the better... Quote
porterrockwell Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 First off, Sex is a sacred thing, intended for the holy union of marriage. Outside of those bonds it is fornication. James and Peter speak much of sensual evils. Second of all, again, you are going off YOUR interpertation of good and evil and not the Lord's so your argument on all things pertaining to your perspective is mute. Lastly, if my screename is the only thing that one can attack, then so be it, but it is not appreciated in any way. And to suggest that it portrays my moral standing, or social affiliation in any way is agregiously off-based and inappropriate. As far as history, there are a great deal of "evil-doers" that I do not know about, and because I just happened to pick a name that fits one of those people I don't know it some how portrays me in a bad light? That is pretty bad reasoning, so I guess a guy that has the same name as a serial killer should of known better than to keep the name when he had a chance to change it, right?! Interesting logic Snow, very interesting indeed. Why do you call yourself Snow, I have heard many references to cocaine as "snow". Why would one want to be affiliated with a very vile and destructive drug that claims the lives of many, oh but you probably think there is nothing wrong with a little *sniff*sniff* every now and then. I forgot I was talking to a member of "Standards Nuveau" Quote
Behunin Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by sgallan@Mar 6 2004, 11:30 PM Is this from personal experience? ****The badder the better... Good answer! Quote
Cal Posted March 7, 2004 Report Posted March 7, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Mar 5 2004, 07:03 PM No offense Porterrockwell (odd that a guy who is so opposed to pornography would adopt the username of a serial killer ... sex bad, murder okay) but all you are saying is, well you aren't saying anything. So you think pornography weakens the mind. Big deal. Your opinion is nice for you but I really don't care. What evidence do you have that pornography weakens the mind and creates violent expectations of future encounters?As a test, I just looked at some pornography. It's just a google away. My mind is just as strong as it was before I looked. I don't have any violent expectations for when my wife and I get back from the date I am taking her on this evening. I bet I could look again tomorrow and it wouldn't be any different.I know that there are scumbags who are way into porn. I rather suspect that they are scumbags without and before the porn and porn is just one of the outlets for their scumatude. I think that their scumiosity can be increased through consistents and dedicated immersion in porn, just like it could be increase through alcohol, or inappropriate use of pychotropic medication, or hanging out with bikers and soccer hooligans or with any negative influence. Anything can be a negative influence if you engage in it to the extent that it squeezes out positive and unlifting influences.I wouldn't say that looking at naked people doing the big how-do-you-do is necessarily uplifting but must it needs be that sexual titilation is incompatible with the gospel and the spirit? It's like... we don't drink because it is commanded of us, but also because it, in toto, is bad for us. However, a glass of wine per day may actually be healthier for you than not having a glass of wine per day. So, obedience aside, maybe wine is not incompatible with the gospel/spirit. People TEND to abuse things like porn and booze but if they didn't tend to abuse it, what would be so bad - obedience issues aside? There have been plenty of modern prophets and apostles that we all believe were inspired that drank alcohol and coffee before our more recent interpretation of the WoW rolled out. Way to go, Snow. Very thoughtful post! Especially the Porter Rockwell line.Porter--you know, you don't really have to look at things in such a black vs. white way. In fact, the world makes a lot more sense if you start seeing the gray areas. I do think porn can be a bad thing for some people--it can interfere with relationships and a health view of sex--but as Snow so well points out, it doesn't necessarily lead to all problems you mention. Quote
Helen Mar Kimball Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 If it's in focus, it's pornography. If it's out of focus, it's art. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 Originally posted by Helen Mar Kimball@Mar 11 2004, 10:24 PM If it's in focus, it's pornography.If it's out of focus, it's art. Hey...that hits the nail on the head. LOL Quote
Guest estump Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 I have to say that DH and I get porn emails ALL THE TIME! He is a computer Tech and I kept asking him WHY we kept getting these emails. He said some people just sell email addresses. We've just made a junk folder and each email that comes from someone not in our contact list gets junked. However we do have to wade through it once in a while for those friends of ours who decide to change their emails w/ out calling us and letting us know. When we don't reply to them for a couple of weeks they call us. Go figure?! Anyhoo....it's almost inevitable that at some point a porn pop-up ad will, well, pop-up. It's simply a matter of closing out the add and comenting on how sick the world has become! Quote
sgallan Posted March 12, 2004 Report Posted March 12, 2004 I have Yahoo mail and I don't seem to get any of that. All of these stories of people getting it all of the time intrigue me. Quote
Guest Starsky Posted March 13, 2004 Report Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by estump@Mar 12 2004, 03:00 PM I have to say that DH and I get porn emails ALL THE TIME! He is a computer Tech and I kept asking him WHY we kept getting these emails. He said some people just sell email addresses. We've just made a junk folder and each email that comes from someone not in our contact list gets junked. However we do have to wade through it once in a while for those friends of ours who decide to change their emails w/ out calling us and letting us know. When we don't reply to them for a couple of weeks they call us. Go figure?!Anyhoo....it's almost inevitable that at some point a porn pop-up ad will, well, pop-up. It's simply a matter of closing out the add and comenting on how sick the world has become! That really shucks bricks Erin....Our e-mail is really stiff about spam of any kind. i sometimes don't get the mail I am supposed to get because it is sooo tight.I guess that is a good thing... :) Quote
Rodney Posted March 13, 2004 Report Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by Peace@Mar 12 2004, 06:12 PM ...shucks bricks... Gosh and golly, that thar is some purdy hilarious word play--mighty jimminy flipping cricket injeaneeus!! Quote
Helen Mar Kimball Posted March 13, 2004 Report Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by Snow@Mar 5 2004, 07:03 PM No offense Porterrockwell (odd that a guy who is so opposed to pornography would adopt the username of a serial killer ... People who use the names of people from early LDS history as their screen names are really stupid. Quote
srm Posted March 13, 2004 Report Posted March 13, 2004 No offense Porterrockwell (odd that a guy who is so opposed to pornography would adopt the username of a serial killer ... sex bad, murder okay)Whom did he murder? what evidence is there? Was he convicted? Quote
Snow Posted March 13, 2004 Author Report Posted March 13, 2004 Originally posted by srm@Mar 12 2004, 11:07 PM No offense Porterrockwell (odd that a guy who is so opposed to pornography would adopt the username of a serial killer ... sex bad, murder okay)Whom did he murder? what evidence is there? Was he convicted? Let me make sure I understand your position SRM. You don't not believe that PR was a murderer. Is that correct? Quote
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