Holy Ghost

[Moonfire]

I am lost.

What or who is the Holy Ghost? I am also lost on a few other things. If one blasphemies against the Holy Ghost it can't be forgiven. But if the Holy Ghost, Jesus and God are one and the same, then why is it forgivable to Blasphemy against Jesus or God but it is not forgivable against the Holy Ghost? What does it mean to blashpemy against the Holy Ghost?

And how can God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost be one but seperate?

What am I missing

I know others with various beliefs are here at this board but I would like to have just Mormon answers please.

Thanks in advance for your replies

[Latter Days Guy]

Have a look at this site, it answers your questions. Look in "The nature of God" section.

[Moonfire]

Have a look at this site, it answers your questions. Look in "The nature of God" section.

Thank you. This answers all of my questions except for one. I won't pretend I completely understand the whole godhead thing, but that is not required. I have learned that as a human there will be some things we will never be able to understand or understand completely. Sometimes trying to understand things and over analyzing them is just a distraction.

The one question I do have is this. What does it mean to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost and why is that not forgivable but it is if you blasphemy against Jesus or God. Ok, that is two questions, lol.

Thanks again for the quick answer.

[Moonfire]

I also want to add this. I haven't read a lot from the Book of Mormon yet. But I did watch the "Book Of Mormon Movie." Nephi's brothers, I forget their names, had several chances at redemption. They directly had an angel speak to them, they directly saw God's power through Nephi. Even after all they did, before their father died, they had many chances to change, even after speaking against god and the truth.

So I guess this just confuses me more about what blasphemy is and why it is unforgivable against the Holy Ghost.

[Ray]

Read the "Evidence of Mormonism" thread beginning with post 61 on page 5.

We (LDS) got into your questions there.

But don't just believe what I or other LDS say. Ask God to assure you of the truth.

God is always there, and listening. :)

[Moonfire]

Oh. I think I get it now. In order to sin against the Holy Ghost it is not against the "person" but the truth. And when the Holy Ghost shows you the truth then you will know it more clearly then anything you have ever known. So then, after knowing it and you speak against what you have seen then that is the unforgivable sin. I think I understand this now. Well, do I understand this now from what I explained in this reply?

[Ray]

Oh. I think I get it now. In order to sin against the Holy Ghost it is not against the "person" but the truth. And when the Holy Ghost shows you the truth then you will know it more clearly then anything you have ever known. So then, after knowing it and you speak against what you have seen then that is the unforgivable sin. I think I understand this now. Well, do I understand this now from what I explained in this reply?

Pretty much, yes, I say so, except that I would say that you are actually sinning against the Holy Ghost when you deny the truth or a truth the Holy Ghost is telling you or assuring you to be true.

Without the Holy Ghost there is no way to really know if something is really true or really not true... speaking of how we learn things in this world... although the "light of Christ" instructs us sufficiently by giving us an assurance of what our Lord knows is true or right and wrong.

Do you feel what is right? Are you sure it is true? Then give all the glory to God.

You cannot know the truth by simply using logic because other reasons might also be true.

:)

[Dr T]

Ray,

You said,

You cannot know the truth by simply using logic because other reasons might also be true.

Are you using logic in that statement?

[Ray]

Ray,

You said,

You cannot know the truth by simply using logic because other reasons might also be true.

Are you using logic in that statement?

Yes. Do you know if my logic is true?

I do. How about you?

If you don't, do you know what to do?

[Dr T]

[Ray]

Heh, it's the only one I found with an index finger pointing up to the "one" we should learn from. :)

[Moonfire]

Ok. So if I have knowledge, that is still different then knowing the truth. Now if I new the truth then I would know that I knew the truth, which is different then having logic or knowledge alone.

Uhm....... I hope somone understands what I mean. I got a bit confused when I reread what I typed, lol.

[Princess3dward]

if the Holy Ghost, Jesus and God are one and the same...

They are one (apparently.. this is a foggy topic for me..) but they are NOT the same!

[Ray]

When some people say they have knowledge, they sometimes only mean information, but regardless of what words we choose to explain things we need to know what is the truth.

Try thinking of some examples of how you could know about information, but still not really know if the information you had was really some part of the truth… the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.

I’ll give you an example to start off with.

We (LDS) have a Book of Mormon. Is that true? Yes, that’s true. We (LDS) DO have a Book of Mormon. Are you going to tell me that we don’t?

Heh, just a little lesson on how important it is to use words to try to say what you mean.

When you say you know something, what do you really know, and how do you know what is true?

Okay, your turn.

Give me an example of what you know is the truth, and how you really know it is true, and while you are at it, please also tell me how I can know what you have is the truth.

And btw, this is a test, and only a test. If it was really important for you to know something I'd tell you to ask God what is true. :)

[Princess3dward]

I won't pretend I completely understand the whole godhead thing, but that is not required.

it is really hard for me too..... but when you are okay with the rest of the gospel.. it fits... I do aslk alot of annoying questions though...

Adam and Eve confuse me...

[Ray]

Adam and Eve confuse me...

There are a LOT of things I still don't know about Adam and Eve too, Desire', so don't feel all alone. :)

[Princess3dward]

Really? Man, 'cause I asked about that today in seminary.. and it isn't clicking..

[Moonfire]

When some people say they have knowledge, they sometimes only mean information, but regardless of what words we choose to explain things we need to know what is the truth.

Try thinking of some examples of how you could know about information, but still not really know if the information you had was really some part of the truth… the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.

I'll give you an example to start off with.

We (LDS) have a Book of Mormon. Is that true? Yes, that's true. We (LDS) DO have a Book of Mormon. Are you going to tell me that we don't?

Heh, just a little lesson on how important it is to use words to try to say what you mean.

When you say you know something, what do you really know, and how do you know what is true?

Okay, your turn.

Give me an example of what you know is the truth, and how you really know it is true, and while you are at it, please also tell me how I can know what you have is the truth.

And btw, this is a test, and only a test. If it was really important for you to know something I'd tell you to ask God what is true. :)

Ok. I think am understanding this.

Lets see. Here is a truth. When I talk on the phone my cat sometimes thinks I am talking to him and starts to meow non stop. The way you can find out is to call me up and hear for yourself. Seven out of ten times that cat will come over and start to meow until I tell him to shut up, and even then he sometimes won't. So calling and hearing this cat will be proof.

Hmmm, is the Holy Ghost like the phone that connects you to God so you can feel/hear the truth and connect it with the knowledge or words?

[Ray]

<div class='quotemain'> When some people say they have knowledge, they sometimes only mean information, but regardless of what words we choose to explain things we need to know what is the truth.

Try thinking of some examples of how you could know about information, but still not really know if the information you had was really some part of the truth… the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.

I'll give you an example to start off with.

We (LDS) have a Book of Mormon. Is that true? Yes, that's true. We (LDS) DO have a Book of Mormon. Are you going to tell me that we don't?

Heh, just a little lesson on how important it is to use words to try to say what you mean.

When you say you know something, what do you really know, and how do you know what is true?

Okay, your turn.

Give me an example of what you know is the truth, and how you really know it is true, and while you are at it, please also tell me how I can know what you have is the truth.

And btw, this is a test, and only a test. If it was really important for you to know something I'd tell you to ask God what is true. :)

Ok. I think am understanding this.

Lets see. Here is a truth. When I talk on the phone my cat sometimes thinks I am talking to him and starts to meow non stop. The way you can find out is to call me up and hear for yourself. Seven out of ten times that cat will come over and start to meow until I tell him to shut up, and even then he sometimes won't. So calling and hearing this cat will be proof.

I'm sorry, Moonfire. I don't agree... I don't believe you have shared the whole truth. Please don't be offended, I'm not trying to be rude. I simply don't agree with your conclusion.

I might be able to come to the point of agreeing with you on the idea that when you talk on the phone your cat starts to meow, and meows "a lot" while you are on the phone, but I don't think I'd say your cat begins to meow "non-stop". Is he still meowing now? If not, he has stopped. If I saw him not meowing, I'd know that.

I still might not be able to agree that "your cat thinks you are talking to him", though. Maybe he's just meowing because he wants your attention, not because he thinks you're talking to him. Do you really claim to know how your cat thinks???

I could also go on about some of your other comments that I do not agree with right now, but I think you get my point. I do not agree with all you said in your post because I don't know what you said is the truth... the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.

Hmmm, is the Holy Ghost like the phone that connects you to God so you can feel/hear the truth and connect it with the knowledge or words?

"like the phone"... as in a means of communication with God, you mean? Yes, I can agree with that.

But the Holy Ghost is also God... not just a connection to God... the Holy Ghost is a person who is God...

... and I'm not referring to our Father in heaven or our Lord Jesus Christ, who are God, but not the Holy Ghost.

Heh, and don't get too frustrated when you see you don't know everything... there's a whole LOT to learn about God... and the best way to learn about God is to learn from God and from those God inspires to teach truths. :)

[Princess3dward]

But the Holy Ghost is also God... not just a connection to God... the Holy Ghost is a person who is God...

... and I'm not referring to our Father in heaven or our Lord Jesus Christ, who are God, but not the Holy Ghost.

Heh, and don't get too frustrated when you see you don't know everything... there's a whole LOT to learn about God... and the best way to learn about God is to learn from God and from those God inspires to teach truths. :)

AHH! You are confusing two people at once!!

[Ray]

<div class='quotemain'>

But the Holy Ghost is also God... not just a connection to God... the Holy Ghost is a person who is God...

... and I'm not referring to our Father in heaven or our Lord Jesus Christ, who are God, but not the Holy Ghost.

Heh, and don't get too frustrated when you see you don't know everything... there's a whole LOT to learn about God... and the best way to learn about God is to learn from God and from those God inspires to teach truths. :)

AHH! You are confusing two people at once!!

Heh, I'm sorry. My intention is not to confuse you. :)

Some people use the word "Godhead", and some people use the word "Trinity" for those 3 and how they are one, but those words aren't in the Bible or our other standard scriptures, so I choose to simply use the word "God".

And basically, or to put this as simply as I can, those 3 are all God but they're not the same person, though they all do agree as if one.

If you want more than that catch me at another time, or you can now very simply ask God. :)

[Princess3dward]

And basically, or to put this as simply as I can, those 3 are all God but they're not the same person, though they all do agree as if one.

You see.... why didn't you just say that?

That is VERY easy!

[Ray]

<div class='quotemain'>

And basically, or to put this as simply as I can, those 3 are all God but they're not the same person, though they all do agree as if one.

You see.... why didn't you just say that?

That is VERY easy!

I have used those words before, Desire'. You just didn't know I used those words before. :)

[Princess3dward]

<div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotemain'>

And basically, or to put this as simply as I can, those 3 are all God but they're not the same person, though they all do agree as if one.

You see.... why didn't you just say that?

That is VERY easy!

I have used those words before, Desire'. You just didn't know I used those words before. :)

[Moonfire]

<div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotemain'> When some people say they have knowledge, they sometimes only mean information, but regardless of what words we choose to explain things we need to know what is the truth.

Try thinking of some examples of how you could know about information, but still not really know if the information you had was really some part of the truth… the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.

I'll give you an example to start off with.

We (LDS) have a Book of Mormon. Is that true? Yes, that's true. We (LDS) DO have a Book of Mormon. Are you going to tell me that we don't?

Heh, just a little lesson on how important it is to use words to try to say what you mean.

When you say you know something, what do you really know, and how do you know what is true?

Okay, your turn.

Give me an example of what you know is the truth, and how you really know it is true, and while you are at it, please also tell me how I can know what you have is the truth.

And btw, this is a test, and only a test. If it was really important for you to know something I'd tell you to ask God what is true. :)

Ok. I think am understanding this.

Lets see. Here is a truth. When I talk on the phone my cat sometimes thinks I am talking to him and starts to meow non stop. The way you can find out is to call me up and hear for yourself. Seven out of ten times that cat will come over and start to meow until I tell him to shut up, and even then he sometimes won't. So calling and hearing this cat will be proof.

I'm sorry, Moonfire. I don't agree... I don't believe you have shared the whole truth. Please don't be offended, I'm not trying to be rude. I simply don't agree with your conclusion.

I might be able to come to the point of agreeing with you on the idea that when you talk on the phone your cat starts to meow, and meows "a lot" while you are on the phone, but I don't think I'd say your cat begins to meow "non-stop". Is he still meowing now? If not, he has stopped. If I saw him not meowing, I'd know that.

I still might not be able to agree that "your cat thinks you are talking to him", though. Maybe he's just meowing because he wants your attention, not because he thinks you're talking to him. Do you really claim to know how your cat thinks???

I could also go on about some of your other comments that I do not agree with right now, but I think you get my point. I do not agree with all you said in your post because I don't know what you said is the truth... the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.

Hmmm, is the Holy Ghost like the phone that connects you to God so you can feel/hear the truth and connect it with the knowledge or words?

"like the phone"... as in a means of communication with God, you mean? Yes, I can agree with that.

But the Holy Ghost is also God... not just a connection to God... the Holy Ghost is a person who is God...

... and I'm not referring to our Father in heaven or our Lord Jesus Christ, who are God, but not the Holy Ghost.

Heh, and don't get too frustrated when you see you don't know everything... there's a whole LOT to learn about God... and the best way to learn about God is to learn from God and from those God inspires to teach truths. :)

No offense was taken. Actually I am a lot less confused now then I was when I started this post. I do understand what you mean. I think

So the truth I thought I had wasn't actually solid truth. It was the truth as I saw it. So my knowledge/truth/logic was flawed by my own views and prejudices.

So, when the Holy Ghost tells you the truth then it will be from him or God, well since they act as one and are the same..... Ok, let me forget about the godhead for right now, lol.

Anyways the truth will be absolute and when you know it through the Holy Ghost, you will have no doubts that it is the truth, not knowledge that could be misunderstood or miscommunicated. Like your example that you (LDS) have a book of Mormon. That is fact and can be prooven without a doubt.

Ok, maybe I am still a little confused but I am getting a much clearer picture.

If you want to challange any of my other statements, please do. I like to discuss and I don't take things personally when I am wrong or when I don't completely understand something. I haven't met a human yet that is completely right all the time, not even myself.

This is very important for me to understand. So if I don't get it, just knock me in the head a few times until I get it