Proliferation Of Mysterious "cellular" Towers

[JoshuaFKon]

Your killin me!

dead you are of no use to us......

Josh

[Ray]

Ray,

I appreciated that joke. Thanks for that.

Dr. T

Heh, thank you.

What do you think of my hat?

There were actually two jokes in that post.

[Ray]

We won't stay dead for long.

[79scholar]

Does anyone have any real answers then?

[JoshuaFKon]

Does anyone have any real answers then?

real answers? what was the question?

Josh B)

[Dr T]

I'm sorry I messed up your thread, 79scholar.

[Ray]

How many of these mysterious towers can you spot in your neighborhood?

From my quote you can see the original question, and in my neighborhood there aren't any.

But I live out in the country, away from many things, so that really does not surprise me.

[79scholar]

I'm sorry I messed up your thread, 79scholar.

It's ok, it was rather hilarious anyway.

Yet it's important to recognize between a nutbag and a concerned citizen. For example: There are many scholars out there researching the 9/11 evidences ... who are erroneously lumped into a giant category of "conspiracy theorist nutcases," scholars like BYU physics professor Steven Jones, James Fetzer, and others. What the media usually doesn't portray is that most 9/11 conspiracy theorists believe it was a "let it happen on purpose" like Pearl Harbor.

Anyway back to the towers ... I'm not sure WHAT they are, but I figure they're not typical cell towers of the 90s. If they are cell towers it doesn't make sense having 2 or 3 together in one location, because each network now shares and relays with each other's reception towers. From other research I have discovered the US researching into PSYOPS technology ... I start to wonder if these new towers have a military use to disrupt communications of invaders or something.

Bottom line: based on my research of history and current events, I don't trust our government. Besides, Moroni warned us specifically of Secret Combinations entering our governments in Ether 8:23-25.

[JoshuaFKon]

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I'm sorry I messed up your thread, 79scholar.

It's ok, it was rather hilarious anyway.

Yet it's important to recognize between a nutbag and a concerned citizen. For example: There are many scholars out there researching the 9/11 evidences ... who are erroneously lumped into a giant category of "conspiracy theorist nutcases" like BYU physics professor Steven Jones, James Fetzer, and others. What the media usually doesn't portray is that most 9/11 conspiracy theorists believe it was a "let it happen on purpose" like Pearl Harbor.

Anyway back to the towers ... I'm not sure WHAT they are, but I figure they're not typical cell towers of the 90s. If they are cell towers it doesn't make sense having 2 or 3 together in one location, because each network now shares and relays with each other's reception towers. From other research I have discovered the US researching into PSYOPS technology ... I start to wonder if these new towers have a military use to disrupt communications of invaders or something.

Bottom line: based on my research of history and current events, I don't trust our government. Besides, Moroni warned us specifically of Secret Combinations entering our governments in Ether 8:23-25.

I don't trut the government either, but want do you want me to do?

leave the country?

I see only two logical possiblities:

(1) They are harmless communication devices

(2) They are Mind Control devices

I can't believe that they are used to "disrupt communications of invaders" because there are eaiser ways of disrupting communications and I can't think of anyone who would invade us.

Are you sure the government even owns them? prehaps google is preparing for a coup? :)

Maybe (if they are privately owned) some company is planning to have a huge wireless internet thing?

Josh B)

[79scholar]

I can't believe that they are used to "disrupt communications of invaders" because there are eaiser ways of disrupting communications and I can't think of anyone who would invade us.

Too often we bask in our comfortable complacency and rationalize that the ravages of war, economic disaster, famine, and earthquake cannot happen here. Those who believe this are either not acquainted with the revelations of the Lord, or they do not believe them. Those who smugly think these calamities will not happen, that they somehow will be set aside because of the righteousness of the Saints, are deceived and will rue the day they harbored such a delusion.

[JoshuaFKon]

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I can't believe that they are used to "disrupt communications of invaders" because there are eaiser ways of disrupting communications and I can't think of anyone who would invade us.

Too often we bask in our comfortable complacency and rationalize that the ravages of war, economic disaster, famine, and earthquake cannot happen here. Those who believe this are either not acquainted with the revelations of the Lord, or they do not believe them. Those who smugly think these calamities will not happen, that they somehow will be set aside because of the righteousness of the Saints, are deceived and will rue the day they harbored such a delusion.

Ok, name one country that could invade us...and then realize that World War III will be over in less then a day. think MAD.

Plus, why place them all over the country? why not just the borders?

I don't "smugly think these calamities will not happen" I wake up mildly suprised eveyday that the would hasn't ended. It's just that I think an astroid, nuclear war, and alien abduction are more likely then the U.S. being invaded.

We currently are the world's only super power.

We are seperated from most of our enemies by huge oceans, we also have the lagest navy in the world.

How many countries even have the man-power to invade us? Russia? China? They might nuke us, but invasion?

Mind contol is much more likely.

Josh B)

[79scholar]

Ok, name one country that could invade us...and then realize that World War III will be over in less then a day. think MAD.

Plus, why place them all over the country? why not just the borders?

I don't "smugly think these calamities will not happen" I wake up mildly suprised eveyday that the would hasn't ended. It's just that I think an astroid, nuclear war, and alien abduction are more likely then the U.S. being invaded.

We currently are the world's only super power.

We are seperated from most of our enemies by huge oceans, we also have the lagest navy in the world.

How many countries even have the man-power to invade us? Russia? China? They might nuke us, but invasion?

Mind contol is much more likely.

Josh B)

Mind control is likely based upon Revelations 13 (where anti-christ beast reigns for 42 months) and various other quotes such as:

"Satan is making war against the very foundations upon which society, government, and religion rest. He plans to destroy freedom–economic, political, and religious, and to set up in place thereof the greatest, most widespread, and most complete tyranny that has ever oppressed men. He is working under such perfect disguise that many do not recognize either him or his methods. He comes as a thief in the night; he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Without their knowing it, the people are being urged down paths that lead only to destruction."

Some believe this is possible using microwave technology pulsed at ultra-low frequencies. However if it is mind control, then here is where it fits in the timeline of Armageddon events:

- Acts 2:17-18 (and in Joel), ordinary members receive gift of prophecy along with other gifts. Hinckley in Oct 2001 stated this has been fulfilled.

- Gathering of the prepared to be a Zion people (2 Nephi 5:5-7, Omni 1:12-13, 2 Nephi 14, Alma the Elder, brother of Jared, Lehi) and escape the impending destructions

- Worldwide economic collapse that occurs 'as a thief in the night'

- Power-grid failure ... peace taken from the earth - mother against daughter, etc.

- Plagues spread (bio-terrorism) in multiple locations, including Salt Lake City (1 Peter 4:17, D&C 112:23-26)

- First two earthquakes ... both probably above 8.0 on scale, second bigger than first

- Other massive natural disasters including floods, fire-hailstorms, and famine

- Nuclear Holocaust, starting with Iranians launching a nuclear missile from Libya onto Israel (Matthew 24: abomination of desolation)

- Russia and China invade America (Isaiah: Assyria and Babylon)

- "son of perdition" (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4) comes as anti-christ, deceives the masses (Revelations 13:11-18)

- All people forced allegiance under the Beast, taking the mark that allows them to buy & sell. Those who refuse to worship anti-christ are dealt with one way or another. ***Insert Mind Control Here***. This never-before-seen persecution lasts 42 months.

- On the other side of the world in Jerusalem, two prophets finish their testimony after 42 months, are slain, left for dead for 3.5 days, resurrected and taken up to Heaven.

- Third and Fourth earthquakes, much larger than first two, causing all continents to form into one as the just are resurrected.

- Zion's branches gathered to build the New Jerusalem as the city of Enoch descends from Heaven

- Extreme wind and fire cleansing kill off all wicked as righteous are caught up in rapture

- Christ reigns on Earth

Also FYI, Mitt Romney will win the 2008 election and the 2012 re-election.

[JoshuaFKon]

Some believe this is possible using microwave technology pulsed at ultra-low frequencies. However if it is mind control, then here is where it fits in the timeline of Armageddon events:

- Acts 2:17-18 (and in Joel), ordinary members receive gift of prophecy along with other gifts. Hinckley in Oct 2001 stated this has been fulfilled.

Wasn't that fulfilled in Acts?

- Worldwide economic collapse that occurs 'as a thief in the night'

What was the scriptual referece for that again?

- Power-grid failure ... peace taken from the earth - mother against daughter, etc.

"Mother against daughter"="power-grid failure"....I always wondered what that verse meant

- Russia and China invade America (Isaiah: Assyria and Babylon)

What is the verse for this one again...I don't remember seeing America in the Bible..

Also FYI, Mitt Romney will win the 2008 election and the 2012 re-election.

I doubt it (very much) prehaps Allen, or McCain...

Josh B)

[79scholar]

I doubt it (very much) prehaps Allen, or McCain...

Josh B)

I would much prefer either of those.

[babygirl]

the put one of those up in my little brothers school in utah. but thats the only one i have seen...and your right it didnt seem to help with cell problems at all

[BenRaines]

Power grid failure= Mothers vs daughters. Must be for the butane powered blow dryer.

Ben Raines

[79scholar]

Power grid failure= Mothers vs daughters. Must be for the butane powered blow dryer.

Ben Raines

LOL, because a generator heats up only one hot bath!

Anyway here's the original references to this prophecy:

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Joseph Smith, Jr., President of the Church, 2 July 1839, in an address to the Quorum of the Twelve, History of the Church, vol. 3, pp. 390–391

Wars are at hand; we must not delay; but are not required to sacrifice. We ought to have the building up of Zion as our greatest object. When wars come, we shall have to flee to Zion. The cry is to make haste. The last revelation says, Ye shall not have time to have gone over the earth, until these things come. It will come as did the cholera, war, fires, and earthquakes; one pestilence after another, until the Ancient of Days comes, then judgment will be given to the Saints.

I saw men hunting the lives of their own sons, and brother murdering brother, women killing their own daughters, and daughters seeking the lives of their mothers. I saw armies arrayed against armies. I saw blood, desolation, fires. The Son of Man has said that the mother shall be against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother. These things are at our doors. They will follow the Saints of God from city to city. Satan will rage, and the spirit of the devil is now enraged. I know not how soon these things will take place; but with a view of them, shall I cry peace? No! I will lift up my voice and testify of them. How long you will have good crops, and the famine be kept off, I do not know; when the fig tree leaves, know then that the summer is nigh at hand.

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John Taylor, President of the Church, 6 Oct. 1879, in Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, p. 319

Were we surprised when the last terrible war [the Civil War] took place here in the United States? No; good Latter-day Saints were not, for they had been told about it. Joseph Smith had told them where it would start, that it should be a terrible time of bloodshed and that it should start in South Carolina. But I tell you today the end is not yet. You will see worse things than that, for God will lay his hand upon this nation, and they will feel it more terribly than ever they have done before; there will be more bloodshed, more ruin, more devastation than never they have seen before. Write it down! You will see it come to pass; it is only just starting in. And would you feel to rejoice? No; I would feel sorry. I knew very well myself when this last war was commencing, and could have wept and did weep, over this nation; but there is yet to come a sound of war, trouble and distress, in which brother will be arrayed against brother, father against son, son against father, a scene of desolation and destruction that will permeate our land until it will be a vexation to hear the report thereof.

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Orson Pratt of the Quorum of the Twelve, 9 March 1879, in Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, pp. 151–152

What about my own nation—the American nation? What can I say more than I have said in times that are past? They have had a great desolating war; a war between the North and the South in which many hundreds of thousands were destroyed. This war was foretold twenty-eight years before it took place; the very place where it should commence was marked out by the Prophet Joseph Smith, that young man of whom I have spoken. … That war that destroyed the lives of some fifteen or sixteen hundred thousand people was nothing, compared to that which will eventually devastate that country. The time is not very far distant in the future, when the Lord God will lay his hand heavily upon that nation. “How do you know this? inquires one.” I know from the revelations which God has given upon this subject. I read these revelations, when they were first given. I waited over twenty-eight years and saw their fulfillment to the very letter. Should I not, then, expect that the balance of them should be fulfilled? That same God who gave the revelations to his servant Joseph Smith in regard to these matters, will fulfil every jot and every tittle that has been spoken, concerning that nation. What then will be the condition of that people, when this great and terrible war shall come? It will be very different from the war between the North and the South. Do you wish me to describe it? I will do so. It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed—too much mobocracy—too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety. What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country; and that great and powerful nation, now consisting of some forty millions of people, will be wasted away, unless they repent.

Now these are predictions you may record. You may let them sink down into your hearts. And if the Lord your God shall permit you to live, you will see my words fulfilled to the very letter. They are not my words, but the words of inspiration—the words of the everlasting God who has sent forth his servants with this message to warn the nations of the earth.

[Jason]

Does anyone have any real answers then?

Yes. They are actually radio jamming devices set up by the MIB's to protect us from alien mind-control signals from deep space.

Seriously bro, you've got to take a reality check. If we can't find Osama bin Laden, do you really think our government can monitor people's thoughts?

[JoshuaFKon]

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Does anyone have any real answers then?

Yes. They are actually radio jamming devices set up by the MIB's to protect us from alien mind-control signals from deep space.

Seriously bro, you've got to take a reality check. If we can't find Osama bin Laden, do you really think our government can monitor people's thoughts?

You make a good point

The only thing that matches the evil of government, is government's incompetence

Josh B)

[79scholar]

You make a good point

The only thing that matches the evil of government, is government's incompetence

Josh B)

At what point does massive incompetence cross over into negligent homicide?

Remember that ###### Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and friends have been in the White House for decades. Have they, with experience, suddenly grown less competent? Have you forgotten Project for a New American Century?

"The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”

If you know the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God, why do you doubt Moroni's warning in Ether chapter 8, which we know he was commanded of God to warn us in the Last Days?

[JoshuaFKon]

At what point does massive incompetence cross over into negligent homicide?

When you prove it.

Remember that ###### Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and friends have been in the White House for decades. Have they, with experience, suddenly grown less competent? Have you forgotten Project for a New American Century?

"The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”

Are you saying that they are responsible for 9/11? Possible...but why would I believe that?

If you know the Book of Mormon to be the Word of God, why do you doubt Moroni's warning in Ether chapter 8, which we know he was commanded of God to warn us in the Last Days?

I don't accept the Book of Mormon as the Word of God.

Josh B)

[Princess3dward]

Remember that ###### Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and friends have been in the White House for decades. Have they, with experience, suddenly grown less competent? Have you forgotten Project for a New American Century?

"The process of transformation is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event—like a new Pearl Harbor.”

Are you saying that they are responsible for 9/11? Possible...but why would I believe that?

That AMERICA is responsable for the crash into the twin towers?

I personally believe it was hardly a terrorist attack, but I don't want to get into it.

Well.. the government.

[pushka]

Hope I'm on the right track here, and not making a fool of myself, but I believe that these masts may be the ones that are used for 3G type cell phones which need extra technology in order to send videos/pictures and receive the internet.

The masts must be placed quite close to where the users of 3G type phones are living, as they are only short distance masts, rather than long distance, and they are more powerful than the basic 2G telecommunications masts.

It is believed that they are extremely dangerous to the communities in which they are placed, due to the higher emissions of radiation...in fact our local football stadium has at least 30 of them surrounding it, from which the football company (Burnley Football Club) earns lots of cash, but the stadium is now the equivalent of a massive microwave oven for the people in the stadium watching the football games!!

In Burnley and Pendle there are campaigns running, in other parts of the UK too, to have these masts placed in more appropriate/less dangerous places, please see the following link to my message board on which the issues are discussed by PRISM AND TAM.

http://oogleboogle.proboards23.com/index.c...ard=environment

Here's a picture of a local high school with a 2G mast erected on it.

And here's a link to a thread which contains some photos of various masts, including a Tetra mast, in locations around Burnley and Pendle...note in Urban areas, not away from the general public.

http://oogleboogle.proboards23.com/index.c...read=1123063577

(I'm not an expert on the subject of masts so please forgive me if any of my info is incorrectly recalled!!)

[JoshuaFKon]

Thank you Puska,

very informative :) makes a lot more sense than "mind control" devices

But...how to we know that the aliens aren't controling you mind already!!

Josh B)

[pushka]

Hahaha...methinks they might be doing just that...rid the earth of all new technology, then they can land their spaceships and just take us over with no trouble whatsoever...:)