StrawberryFields Posted December 10, 2006 Report Posted December 10, 2006 This site seems to be changing...maybe a shift in members? Quote
Latter Days Guy Posted December 10, 2006 Report Posted December 10, 2006 In what way has it changed? I've noticed that in the short time that I've posted here there seems to be periods of anti-LDS posts and periods of none at all. But in general it just seems to be a great bunch of people discussing how God has changed and is changing their lives. Quote
StrawberryFields Posted December 10, 2006 Author Report Posted December 10, 2006 Hummm maybe so. Quote
Guest MrsS Posted December 10, 2006 Report Posted December 10, 2006 This site seems to be changing...maybe a shift in members? Berry, could you explain your thoughts/feelings a bit more? I feel that there is something different too - but I really hesitate to bring it up. Quote
prisonchaplain Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 I've noticed that people aren't laughing at the right points in my posts. Quote
StrawberryFields Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Posted December 11, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>This site seems to be changing...maybe a shift in members? Berry, could you explain your thoughts/feelings a bit more? I feel that there is something different too - but I really hesitate to bring it up.Because I have a hard time with negativity I find myself spending less time here. I feel that what I used to come here for is diminishing. I have mentioned before that I come for light conversation...a break from the stressors in my life. I am not saying that things need to change to suit my wants but I would say that there must be many reasons this site has become slower than usual Quote
StrawberryFields Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Posted December 11, 2006 Maybe it's because I'm here.Why would you say that?What does this mean.....Religion: LDS occultist? Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 What does this mean.....Religion: LDS occultist?I'm a latter-day saint who practices chaos magic. Though most people here wouldn't know what that is, so I put 'occultist', which is the larger category of which chaos magic is a subset. I also branch out into other areas, such as Kabbalah, tarot, astrology, and ceremonial magic, but for the most part I use chaos magic ideas and techniques.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occulthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalahhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_magic Quote
StrawberryFields Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Posted December 11, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>What does this mean.....Religion: LDS occultist?I'm a latter-day saint who practices chaos magic. Though most people here wouldn't know what that is, so I put 'occultist', which is the larger category of which chaos magic is a subset. I also branch out into other areas, such as Kabbalah, tarot, astrology, and ceremonial magic, but for the most part I use chaos magic ideas and techniques.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occulthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalahhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_magicSo why put LDS in front of it? LDS people don't practice magic. Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 So why put LDS in front of it?Because I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Quote
pushka Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 Hi Tsuzuki, I had a look at your link to Chaos Magic, which I found very interesting. I have books by both Crowley and William Burroughs, although I didn't realise that Burroughs was a 'chaos magician'... I, too, felt that practising magic was at odds with your LDS beliefs, and wondered how you reconcile the two? Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 Hi Tsuzuki,I had a look at your link to Chaos Magic, which I found very interesting. I have books by both Crowley and William Burroughs, although I didn't realise that Burroughs was a 'chaos magician'...I, too, felt that practising magic was at odds with your LDS beliefs, and wondered how you reconcile the two?With this and others like it:<blockquote>"It was the occupation of Jesus Christ and his Apostles to propagate the Gospel of salvation and the principles of eternal life to the world, and it is our duty and calling, as ministers of the same salvation and Gospel, to gather every item of truth and reject every error. Whether a truth be found with professed infidels, or with the Universalists, or the Church of Rome, or the Methodists, the Church of England, the Presbyterians, the Baptists, the Quakers, the Shakers, or any other of the various and numerous different sects and parties, all of whom have more or less truth, it is the business of the Elders of this Church (Jesus, their elder brother, being at their head,) to gather up all the truths in the world pertaining to life and salvation, to the Gospel we preach, to mechanism of every kind, to the sciences, and to philosophy, wherever it may be found in every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, and bring it to Zion.The people upon this earth have a great many errors, and they have also a great many truths. This statement is not only true of the nations termed civilized--those who profess to worship the true God, but is equally applicable to pagans of all countries, for in their religious rights and ceremonies may be found a great many truths which we will also gather home to Zion. All truth is for the salvation of the children of men--for their benefit and learning--for their furtherance in the principles of divine knowledge; and divine knowledge is any matter of fact--truth; and all truth pertains to divinity."</blockquote><div align="right">- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7:283-284</div> Quote
pushka Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 Thanks very much for that quote Tsuzuki! I'm sure it will surprise some here :) Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 Thanks very much for that quote Tsuzuki! I'm sure it will surprise some here :)No problem. Quote
miztrniceguy Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 i think it has a lot to do with the holidays....between halloween and new years i also have my sons birthday this thurs the 14th, my stepmothers birthday dec 3, my mother-in-laws birthday 12/31, carpel tunnel surgery in nov, and my birthday jan 3rd, too. pretty busy around here miztrniceguy Quote
StrawberryFields Posted December 11, 2006 Author Report Posted December 11, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>This site seems to be changing...maybe a shift in members? Berry, could you explain your thoughts/feelings a bit more? I feel that there is something different too - but I really hesitate to bring it up.MrsS,Now that I have shared what I think is different here, will you also share your feelings? Quote
Jason Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>What does this mean.....Religion: LDS occultist?I'm a latter-day saint who practices chaos magic. Though most people here wouldn't know what that is, so I put 'occultist', which is the larger category of which chaos magic is a subset. I also branch out into other areas, such as Kabbalah, tarot, astrology, and ceremonial magic, but for the most part I use chaos magic ideas and techniques.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occulthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalahhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarothttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrologyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceremonial_magicSo why put LDS in front of it? LDS people don't practice magic.'berry, Joseph Smith and his entire family were Occultists. Family parchments, Talismans, seer stones, water witching, astral projection, etc, etc. Check out D. Michael Quinn's "Mormonism and the Magic Worldview" http://www.amazon.com/Early-Mormonism-Magi...ie=UTF8&s=books Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 LDS people don't practice magic.I do. Quote
Outshined Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 <div class='quotemain'>LDS people don't practice magic.I do.How long do you have to practice before you get good at it? Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 11, 2006 Report Posted December 11, 2006 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>LDS people don't practice magic.I do.How long do you have to practice before you get good at it? A long time. Many years, actually. I've been at it for six or seven years and I'm still just beginning. It takes dedication and discipline. Quote
pushka Posted December 12, 2006 Report Posted December 12, 2006 I once dabbled in Candle Magic, from a little pamphlet style book I bought. I tried a 'Love Spell', in which I burned a candle in an oil burner...added some stuff to it (paper I believe...but my memory is unclear now)...and had to walk in 3 circles around the room I was doing the ceremony in, but unfortunately my oil burner blew to pieces, and set on fire!!! I didn't find the love I was seeking, but I suppose if the fire had been any bigger I could have caught myself a spare firefighter...lol. :) Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 12, 2006 Report Posted December 12, 2006 I once dabbled in Candle Magic, from a little pamphlet style book I bought.I tried a 'Love Spell', in which I burned a candle in an oil burner...added some stuff to it (paper I believe...but my memory is unclear now)...and had to walk in 3 circles around the room I was doing the ceremony in, but unfortunately my oil burner blew to pieces, and set on fire!!!I didn't find the love I was seeking, but I suppose if the fire had been any bigger I could have caught myself a spare firefighter...lol. :)Read this book:Postmodern Magic: The Art of Magic in the Information Age, by Patrick Dunn Quote
pushka Posted December 12, 2006 Report Posted December 12, 2006 Thanks for the link Tsuzuki...I could do with a bit more magic in my life these days! lol :) Quote
Tsuzuki Posted December 12, 2006 Report Posted December 12, 2006 Thanks for the link Tsuzuki...I could do with a bit more magic in my life these days! lol :)There are a ton of other books I could recommend too, but that one's a good start.This one here is a good intro to chaos magic, and it's a free download.http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/pdfs/orchaos.pdfAnyway, forget everything you read in your candle magic and love spell books. Quote
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