Wicked Sadam Is Dead

[shanstress70]

I'm glad that this piece of crap scumbag is gone. I'm surprised it was carried out so quickly.

Thoughts?

[Jason]

Bad move.

[Outshined]

It was good news to many thousands who lost loved ones to his greed. I'm glad to see him pay for some of his crimes.

[rosie321]

I'm, for one, glad that that man is unable to harm anyone again on this earth.

Bad move.

That being said I am concerned of the possible long term repurcussions from his hanging.

I think that there's a lot of undesireable consequences that can come from it, maybe not even considered now.

I doubt overall that it will bring about much good.

Maybe just to much dark or last days thoughts.

[StrawberryFields]

Bad move.

Jason, what are your feelings on this?

I am not sure how I feel about this killing. I did however cheer when he was captured. I am not sure why thay just didn't hold him in a life sentance. I know that the timing of his hanging was important... something to do with their holiday.

[Outshined]

A life sentence would be more merciful, but would be a weak sentence in Islamic culture. Also, you have to understand that to the Iraqis he was as close to satan personified as it gets, so there was always fear that while he was alive he had a chance to regain power.

This was a man who killed hundreds of thousands and mutilated and tortured many more. He had women and girls gang-raped (and videotaped) by rape squads to punish outspoken families, cut off hands and ears for minor offenses (like speaking your mind). Possession of a US dollar cost you your right hand. To speak against Saddam or his government publicly meant you'd be tortured or killed, or that your children would be taken and imprisoned or murdered. Freedom of speech and religion was non-existent.

The shadow he cast over Iraq was so large and dark that their only hope for closure was to see him executed. It may cause renewed violence for a while, but it is actually one step closer to peace for the Iraqi people.

[rosie321]

A life sentence would be more merciful, but would be a weak sentence in Islamic culture. Also, you have to understand that to the Iraqis he was as close to satan personified as it gets, so there was always fear that while he was alive he had a chance to regain power.

This was a man who killed hundreds of thousands and mutilated and tortured many more. He had women and girls gang-raped (and videotaped) by rape squads to punish outspoken families, cut off hands and ears for minor offenses (like speaking your mind). Possession of a US dollar cost you your right hand. To speak against Saddam or his government publicly meant you'd be tortured or killed, or that your children would be taken and imprisoned or murdered. Freedom of speech and religion was non-existent.

The shadow he cast over Iraq was so large and dark that their only hope for closure was to see him executed. It may cause renewed violence for a while, but it is actually one step closer to peace for the Iraqi people.

Agree completely.

But do you think it might affect the US or its allies negatively in the long run? I can't help but wonder if it will be turned around and the reason for his hanging (his evilness ) be forgotton or twisted.

[Outshined]

But do you think it might affect the US or its allies negatively in the long run? I can't help but wonder if it will be turned around and the reason for his hanging (his evilness ) be forgotton or twisted.

No; the Iraqis tried and convicted him, and the Iraqis executed him. The news is saying there weren't even any American witnesses allowed.

[Jason]

Jason, what are your feelings on this?

This is what I posted on the Liberal Catholic board:

Friends,

In my various internet journeys, I have discovered that a large

portion of "Christians" are overjoyed at the execution of Saddam

Hussein. Their blood-lust and condemnation made me reflect a bit on

the scripture:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth

for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but

whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other

also." (St. Matt 5:38-39.)

This reminded me of the Amish school shooting here in the US last

October. Here's a clip of what Im talking about:

"(CBS/AP) In just about any other community, a deadly school shooting

would have brought demands from civic leaders for tighter gun laws and

better security, and the victims' loved ones would have lashed out at

the gunman's family or threatened to sue.

But that's not the Amish way.

As they struggle with the slayings of five of their children in a

one-room schoolhouse, the Amish in this Lancaster County village are

turning the other cheek, urging forgiveness of the killer and quietly

accepting what comes their way as God's will.

"They know their children are going to heaven. They know their

children are innocent ... and they know that they will join them in

death," said Gertrude Huntington, a Michigan researcher and expert on

children in Amish society.

"The hurt is very great," Huntington said. "But they don't balance the

hurt with hate."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/04/...in2059816.shtml

In a world where every Christian decides what is and is not Christ-like

behavior, perhaps it would be better to ask the question: What would

the Amish do?

[StrawberryFields]

I think I remember Sadam... interesting name BTW, recently speaking out in the news. Maybe I just caught the headline before the news because I don't remember what was said; only that it would be surprising.

Also, I remember him being sentenced to death about a month ago.

I agree with most of what Outshined said. I am not sure that a life sentence is also the more merciful of that or death though. Thank you for putting it in perspective, that he is viewed as Satan.

If Satan could be captured and killed today, would it be a good thing? I believe that he has many followers here, can you imagine the uprising?

[MBASS]

I have mixed feelings about the execution. It kind of sits like a huge rock in my stomach. Im neither sad or overjoyed.

[StrawberryFields]

Some pictures of the execution..... I couldn't look past the first page.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16389128/?GT1=8816

[Outshined]

I have a link to some of the personal torture videos taken by Saddam and sons; talk about hard to watch...

[StrawberryFields]

I have a link to some of the personal torture videos taken by Saddam and sons; talk about hard to watch...

I am sure they are.

I am adverse to violence and even stay away from movies which have a air of violence to them.

[Outshined]

I am adverse to violence and even stay away from movies which have a air of violence to them.

I don't want to derail the thread, but whats with the recent trend of movies that focus on sadism and extreme violence? The new term I've heard for the Saw/Hostel type of film is gore porn. I just don't get the desire to see people suffer...

[sunny_surfer]

well i just saw the video of the hanging and i have to say it kinda makes me sick of the fact that they would televise this type of thing in public. I mean what kinda of society are we turning into, are we becoming like other countries in which we will start allowing public killings to fuel the hatred and disgust that seems to be happening all over the world already. Personally if i was the judge i would rather give him the life sentence since death seems like an easy way out.

Absolute power Currupts Absolutly

[Outshined]

They televised it for the reasons I stated earlier. The Iraqis want to know for sure he's dead. Same for the death penalty; they could not tolerate him living.

US networks are editing the footage; at least the ones I've seen. They show the preparation, but not the hanging itself.

[shanstress70]

I guess I just don't understand the negative feelings of this monster being executed. Do you have any clue of the things he has done, or the number of people who have suffered at his hands? Imagine what it's like to have your hand cut off while you were awake and alert. That's probably the nicest thing he's done.

Sadam would rape, torture, and murder any of you women on this board if he had the chance because you are the infidel. Don't forget that in Saddam's culture women are stoned to death or hanged if they were raped, because it brings dishonor to their family. I've also read of a girl (14) who had bricks tied to her body and was thrown in a pool to drown because her brother and his friends raped her.

This info is from the following three websites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_shredder

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html

The International Federation of Human Rights League and the Coalition for Justice in Iraq released a joint report, accusing the Saddam Hussein regime of committing "massive and systematic" human rights violations, particularly against women. The report spoke of public beheadings of women who were accused of being prostitutes, which took place in front of family members, including children. The heads of the victims were publicly displayed near signs reading, "For the honor of Iraq."

The report also states that children, as young as 5 years old, are recruited into the Ashbal Saddam, or "Saddam's Cubs," and indoctrinated to adulate Saddam Hussein and denounce their own family members. Parents who objected to this treatment were executed.

The attacks of the Kurdish people resulted in the death of at least 50,000 (some reports estimate as many as 100,000 people), many of them women and children. Chemical weapons were widely used. The same happened to the Shiites, who lost 60,000 to 130,000.

Mass graves are STILL being uncovered to this day.

After the 2003 invasion, numerous torture centers were found in security offices and police stations throughout Iraq. The equipment found at these centers typically included hooks for hanging people by the hands for beatings, devices for electric shock, and other equipment often found in nations with harsh security services and other Middle Eastern nations.

In the leadup to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, there were a large number of reports of an infamous plastic shredder into which Saddam and Qusay Hussein fed opponents of their Baathist rule.

There was tongue amputation for those who spoke out against him.

3500 men had their ears amputated for deserting his army.

Suspected political opponents would have their wives or mothers brought in and would have to witness their rapes.

Saddam never showed remorse until the end. If there was any possible way he would ever get out, I am sure that he would kill more.

Here are some stories of just a couple of his victims. They will continue to suffer.

http://electroniciraq.net/news/2594.shtml

I'm opposed to the death penalty in a lot of cases, but frankly, I'm kind of nauseated by any defensive comments made about him. This had to do with the Iraqi people... not us Americans. They are the ones who suffered and lived in hell and lost those they loved. They are also the ones who tried him and executed him... how dare we question that decision.

[Outshined]

After the 2003 invasion, numerous torture centers were found in security offices and police stations throughout Iraq. The equipment found at these centers typically included hooks for hanging people by the hands for beatings, devices for electric shock, and other equipment often found in nations with harsh security services and other Middle Eastern nations.

I went into Uday's palace in April 2003; in the basement there were hooks in the ceiling and two stainess steel autopsy tables. That stayed with me a long time; thinking about what had happened there.

I'm opposed to the death penalty in a lot of cases, but frankly, I'm kind of nauseated by any defensive comments made about him. This had to do with the Iraqi people... not us Americans. They are the ones who suffered and lived in hell and lost those they loved. They are also the ones who tried him and executed him... how dare we question that decision.

I agree.

[sunny_surfer]

well i should make it clear im not defending the man in any way, i just dont see why it had to be televised at all. plus you cant really say this has nothing to do with the USA cause it totally has a lot to do with the USA i mean we're right in the middle of it.

i think its totally disgusting what the man did but i still think the death penalty was a easy way out.

[Outshined]

you cant really say this has nothing to do with the USA cause it totally has a lot to do with the USA i mean we're right in the middle of it.

We caught him and turned him over to the Iraqis. They tried him, convicted him, and executed him. The US wisely let them handle it their way, as it was their country he abused.

[shanstress70]

well i should make it clear im not defending the man in any way, i just dont see why it had to be televised at all. plus you cant really say this has nothing to do with the USA cause it totally has a lot to do with the USA i mean we're right in the middle of it.

i think its totally disgusting what the man did but i still think the death penalty was a easy way out.

I agree that televising it, at least as far as we're concerned here in the US, is pretty senseless.

However, I heard that some Iraqi's would always be afraid to move forward and live their lives because they would think in the back of their minds that he would still be alive and would get retribution.

I think those people needed some closure.

[prisonchaplain]

Bad move.

I think I know why you say this, but I disagree. The Iraq War has been frought with clumsy handling and unfinished goals. Here is an anchor in the ground. One reason we went into Iraq was to depose a dictator who had a history of invading other countries, of gassing his own countrymen, and who was threatening the world with possible nuclear weapons.

In hindsight, most probably wished we had not gone in. But, we did. And, for all the messiness, we accomplished the original mission. Saddam Hussaine will not have the world to kick around anymore. Anything less than death would have told the surrounding countries, and the world, that there was no strength in the Iraqi government, and that Hussain's crimes were not that bad.

Nobody rejoices in death, but we can rejoice in justice.

[Jason]

It seems that blood-thirst has engulfed our world. God forgive us.

[sunny_surfer]

makes you wonder if God will ever forgive us for what we've done to eachother