CrimsonKairos Posted February 22, 2007 Report Posted February 22, 2007 Hmmm, I'm not sure we're hearing your message correctly Traveler. The Samaritans practiced a bastardized version of Judaism, with an unauthorized temple and high priest. Just because the good Samaritan showed godly love, doesn't mean his religious beliefs were accurate. I think you actually agree with all of us, but your wording is throwing us off. Quote
Dr T Posted February 22, 2007 Report Posted February 22, 2007 Traveler, If you don't want to answer whether you meant that or not that's fine. I've given you a couple of chances and you continue to use a red herring. I know you keep harping on the idea that love and compassion is of God. I also see that you have assumptions that you are not sharing in our interaction. So, as an example from real life, we can use everyday humans. Lets us us; you and I might hold opposing doctrine. I am now a Christian and have a saving relationship with God the Father through Jesus. So I can teach or think about a doctrine and you might take the other side and teach it too. These doctrines, being diametrically opposed, and supposing one is true, that would necessarily make the other one false. That's the thing with "truth." Truth is exclusive by its nature. This is why I disagree with your idea that even it if was false, it is true. I'm not expecting a reply. I just wanted you to understand my point. Dr. T Quote
Traveler Posted February 22, 2007 Report Posted February 22, 2007 Dr T. and others: Being informed of G-d does not mean that we know him or have a relationship with him. Lucifer (Satan) knows of and believes in G-d but he has no investment in G-d’s love and compassion. Surely the scriptures speak of becoming "one" with G-d. We are "ONE" when we become investors and partakers of G-d’s love and compassion. Not only are we “One” with G-d but we are “One” with all other investors and partakers of his love and compassion. This is the essence to which Jesus the Christ prayed the night before he was crucified. The oneness, despite all the ideas and arguments is not based on doctrine but on love and compassion. Truth is not elusive. Instead it is pride and arrogances (which by the way is the opposite of love and compassion) that makes truth elusive, in fact impossible to see, hear, teach, understand or recognizable. Jesus said that if we continue in his word (which is not doctrine first but love and compassion first; for it is love and compassion of G-d and man alone from which true doctrine can come and be understood) then are we his disciples and only then can we know the truth – which truth sets us free.The example of two devout believers in G-d through different religions having disputes over doctrine is the very thing that I do not believe nor do I believe that is the message Jesus gave in the parable of the Good Samaritan. It is my experience, opinion and the very foundation of my faith in G-d and those saints that covenant with G-d; that for all such, where there is oneness and what ever doctrine they discuss one with another and for all their efforts there is no disagreement in doctrine nor can there be.To be clear and so everyone understand (not in ways that man teaches but in the way that G-d is understood) that it is my belief and witness, that when anyone that is one with G-d’s love and compassion speaks that all that are one with G-d’s love and compassion will hear without any dispute; even if one is Jewish and the other a Samaritan – which are enemies by their doctrine - when seen through the eyes that lack love and compassion. Disputes are all that can be seen through the eyes that lack the love and compassion of G-d. Oneness is all that can be realized through the eyes that have the love and compassion of G-d.I believe that there are no disputes over doctrine between any two individuals that have experienced a change of heart in the love and compassion of G-d. The Traveler Quote
Dr T Posted February 22, 2007 Report Posted February 22, 2007 Good response Traveler, I agree "Being informed of G-d does not mean that we know him or have a relationship with him." It is my testimony that I know God and he loves me. He is my God, the only true God and I am saved through Jesus' life, death and resurrection. As far as truth not being exclusive, that's just not true. It's sort of like being "sort of pregnant" or "kind of dead." You either are or your not. Same with truth-it either is or it isn't. In that sense it is exclusive by its nature. Secondly, the opposite of love is apathy not pride. A whole group of people can commune, hold the same worldview of inclusivism on a particular topic and evidence loving compassion amongst each other but if fundamentally, they hold false doctrine-it will always be wrong. That's all I'm trying to say. Thank you for your time Traveler. :) Quote
Traveler Posted February 22, 2007 Report Posted February 22, 2007 I have tried to reconcile many doctrine and ideas. I have tried to understand people and what motivates them. I have wondered why some develop faith and others falter. In the parable of the sewer there are a few things that seem evident to me. The seed is always the same – why will it grow and endure in some soil and not other. It seems to me that the difference is in how the soil is prepared. How do we prepare our soil for the seed of G-d? The answer is with love and compassion. The example of rejection of G-d’s seed is Lucifer or Satan. It is not apathy that keeps Lucifer from developing love and compassion. I have been concerned with many religious ideas because for the most part it appears that religion in our time is turned to self. Such concepts as salvation, forgiveness and blessings seem to all be turned inward. The idea of the me and getting salvation, forgiveness and blessings for me. The idea of finding a religion that suits me. Seeking what makes me happy. These are not the ideas of love and compassion for others. If the greatest is the servant then seeking for personal rewards is contrary to the truth of G-d. Or as Jesus said, to find one’s self is done by loosing one’s self. The turning to self is pride. It is pride that fuels confusion and misunderstanding of G-d. So long for a while The Traveler Quote
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