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"The Lord God Almighty will not hold one guiltless if one dismisses the evidence within this book".

My mother recently gave me a book and pleaded with me to read it. I told her I would and a week ago I completed it. Since the last time she did this it was a book that in 2009 was instrumental in my repentance and conversion, in hindsight, it's no surprise that I'm very grateful I again said yes.

Although the author is freely distributing the book to any who wants to read it free of charge, he did reference some other books within which he has no financial involvement with that I was pondering whether or not I should get. I put them all into an Amazon.com cart but after buying them immediately grew concerned due my finances. I prayed regarding the wisdom and received a very powerful and comforting witness that yes it was wise and that he was pleased.

After that I had a desire to try and pursuade those here to read the book too. I spoke in prayer asking for help because the more who would read the book the better it would be to which the Spirit again bore clear witness yes.

The book is called "There Are Save Two Churches Only" by D. Christian Markham. It's very clear, very powerful and I lost track of the number of times that the Spirit burned within me regarding something I read within.

On page 5 under "A Sober Warning" Brother Markham warns:

I must warn the reader that this book is dangerous. Why? Because after one reads this book cover-to-cover, one will no longer be able to claim ignorance. The reader will have a direct, transparent, unobstructed understanding of the source of all evil being perpetrated on the world. The Lord God Almighty will not hold one guiltless if one dismisses the evidence within this book.

Is that too audacious of a statement? I declare tho the reader that God, through the power and guidance of His Holy Spirit, has encouraged and guided me in writing and compiling this information. I pray that readers are willing to alter their perceptions, opinions, and convictions of "real life" that do not currently line up with the evidences and testimonies presented in this book - to be willing to allow the Holy Spirit to fully awake them to an understanding of the powers and machinations of Lucifer in this world.

"Write the works of this people, which shall be, even as hath been written, f that which hath been. For behold, out of the books which have been written, and which shall be written, shall this people be judged, for by them shall their works be known unto men." 3 Nephi 27:24-25

This book provides the reader a significant understanding about the hidden portions of Lucifer's kingdom, how it originated, how it works, who is involved, how to identify them, the machinations they have perpetrated in the past, as well as the frauds and atrocities they are currently committing and planning for the near future. Everything within is potent information. Though extensive, nothing is arbitrary or frivolous.

Simply by knowing these things, one will become a threat and a danger to Lucifer's kingdom. Therefore, he may cause one to receive occasional spiritual attacks. I, Myself have personally experienced such things in the following manners: irrational bouts of fear, depression, paranoia, and/or confusion and disquiet in the mind. Other times I have felt a menacing, malevolent presence in my vicinity, or a suffocating, paralyzing pressure enveloping my entire body. However, as the Lord Jesus Christ reassures: Fear not - ask and ye shall receive. Patient, faithful prayer and supplication never fails to eventually dispel such intimidation tactics.

After reading the above I pondered the question as to whether or not it was audacious or not. In prayer I asked the Lord if the statement was true and the Spirit testified via a burning in my bosom that yes it was.

I recognizing my own weaknesses and feel inadequately persuasive enough to convince you all to read this free book. However if your heart is soft the Spirit of the Lord will. I know those who do read it will be grateful but you don't have to take my word for it... ask Him.

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I could have putten the above in the book forum but that really doesn't get as much traffic as I'd like so I'm hoping it will be left in the Gosple Forum.

I'm hoping that as people read it they might indicate here as the more people who recommend it, the more likely someone else will be to do so as well.

If in reading this you plan to read it, have already read it, or read it and then also recommend it, please indicate below.

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On page 5 under "A Sober Warning" Brother Markham warns that "The Lord God Almighty will not hold one guiltless if one dismisses the evidence within this book" to which the Spirit confirmed yes.

This type of language from a member of the Church disturbs me. All members of the Church, and non-members are held accountable for any truth taught.

However, no member or non-member is accountable for any personal interpretation from scriptures provided within a book, especially one that does not have the Church's signature on it.

If evidence if based in truth -- God's truth -- then we are accountable, not because it is within his book, but because it is truth.

If the evidence is his personal interpretation from scripture, he alone is accountable. One should be very careful to put such a warning when they are not the prophet or an apostle.

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It is true that, when the Spirit confirms a truth, we are then accountable to God for how we live that truth. This is a factually correct statement, whether the truth is uttered by D. Christian Markham, Martain, Vort, Barack Obama, or the late and non-lamented Hugo Chavez.

But the effect of stating that truism in conjunction with a book you may have written is that you are, in effect, implying that your book contains such important spiritual truths to which the Holy Ghost does bear witness. I perceive those who do this to be doing so in order to bolster their own status and sell their books. Hugh Nibley said that the ancient Saints called such people Christemporoi, those who made merchandise of Christ and holy things.

There is another a term for such behavior: Priestcraft.

Brother Markham would do much better to present his views and theories and interpretations and beliefs, and then let them stand or fall on their own merit, without invoking a wholly irrelevant injunction as he did.

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"The Lord God Almighty will not hold one guiltless if one dismisses the evidence within this book".

This statement made me uncomfortable for the reasons Addenex and Vort explained. I did look for a bio on Mr. Markham.

I have no interest in reading the book.

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Without reading the whole thing, just a quick question; Is the "two church" reference to the two political parties in the United States? ... just looking at the table of contents, one could get that idea as it talks about "mainstream media" and "the true face of Socialism" etc. And at the end he describes himself as a "radical believer" of free market principles. I was just wondering if anyone has read it if it seems to have political motivations.

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There is one thing that he points out that I think is not mentioned much but interesting how it applies to each of us, he states "Lucifer and his followers are not under a veil of forgetfulness.9 They also maintain a perfect knowledge and remembrance of all that transpired before the creation of this earth — including the identities of each of us mortals in the pre-existence. They also have a perfect understanding of every single event that has ever transpired on this earth — whereas we must rely on written records, legends, historians, myths, etc. Additionally, these beings are familiar with every conceivable language, writing system, science, mathematical system, technology, and (presumably) a good deal of all that is knowable both of the eternities and of the earthly-temporal."

In other words, as heavenly beings before this world began we likely knew all there is to know about every field of science, language, behaviors etc. I think we don't appreciate this fact much and act like we need to spend considerable amount of time gathering facts in this life as if we won't have the chance to later. The problem with that is we probably already know those facts anyways and then we start to divert our attention to things that don't matter as much and away from spiritual influences. To find the cure for cancer, in other words, is not as heavenly as it sounds. Intention means more than knowledge alone - especially if all those followers of Lucifer have more knowledge than anyone could ever have while in mortality.

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If evidence if based in truth -- God's truth -- then we are accountable, not because it is within his book, but because it is truth.

Exactly!

If the evidence is his personal interpretation from scripture, he alone is accountable. One should be very careful to put such a warning when they are not the prophet or an apostle.

Exactly!

It is true that, when the Spirit confirms a truth, we are then accountable to God for how we live that truth. This is a factually correct statement, whether the truth is uttered by D. Christian Markham, Martain, Vort, Barack Obama, or the late and non-lamented Hugo Chavez.

But the effect of stating that truism in conjunction with a book you may have written is that you are, in effect, implying that your book contains such important spiritual truths to which the Holy Ghost does bear witness. I perceive those who do this to be doing so in order to bolster their own status and sell their books. Hugh Nibley said that the ancient Saints called such people Christemporoi, those who made merchandise of Christ and holy things.

There is another a term for such behavior: Priestcraft.

Brother Markham would do much better to present his views and theories and interpretations and beliefs, and then let them stand or fall on their own merit, without invoking a wholly irrelevant injunction as he did.

Would he have been better off to do as you indicate? Yes... if the words were false. So what does that make me? Deceived? A lair? The quote I mention apparently seems to have become a stumbling block. I have no financial involvement with this book. The book is free. You can pay a small sum to have the publisher send you a bound copy but that's money going to them. I understand Priestcraft and after reading the book, I know that it is not such.

Is the "two church" reference to the two political parties in the United States?

No, he doesn't have political motivations or aspirations. And no it is not in reference to the two political parties in the Unitied States.

I stake my name and reputation on the worth of this book. The Spirit witnessed that the Lord was pleased for me for reading it and for trying to entice others to do so as well.

I have the feeling that I poorly advocated this book :(. I hope someone will read it none the less.

Edited by Martain

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For those above who have written off this thread, the book, and maybe even me... I ask you a question. Did you pray?

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Did you pray?

Great question -- answer - No.

I am currently way to busy to decide to pray about a book that isn't authorized by the Church, nor does it have any weight upon my eternal salvation.

As pertaining to prayer, I don't believe praying over this book would be necessary -- I didn't pray about the decision to read or not to read "Increase in Learning" or "Act in Doctrine" from Elder Bednar, so I hope someone doesn't take my not praying over these types of books too personal.

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I stake my name and reputation on the worth of this book.

You are a person on an anonymous message board, your first name may be Martian, but realistically you have no name at stake here. And no, I'm not asking for personal information. Likewise you don't particularly have any reputation to put at stake here. As such this carries about as much weight as some person I don't know on the street saying, "Call me George, I stake my name and reputation on the quality of Crest Toothpaste." Were you say a respected and known lecturer making this statement it'd make sense, you'd have both reputation and name at stake, in the context of an internet message board though it seems rather out of place.

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