And Nothing Shall Offend Them

[CrimsonKairos]

There's no question in the temple recommend interview that says: "Do you watch movies above PG-13?"

We are to use wisdom and judgment and seek after those things that are virtuous, lovely or praiseworthy.

I saw Hellboy. Wouldn't buy it personally, but I don't think anyone's going to hell for watching it. Showing it to a 4 yr. old? Hmmmm, not sure I'd agree with that myself but oh well.

Some of my favorite movies are rated "R." I delete profanity/sex scenes, et al, through a complicated process on my iMac, thus "redeeming" otherwise cool movies. Braveheart and The Last Samurai have to be two of my favorites.

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Id sure be nice to have a list of those temple questions. I could start working on all of those now.

[shanstress70]

First, let me say I'm no longer LDS...

I'm not one to judge anyone for their choices. I enjoy 'R' movies myself and don't see anything wrong with some of them. If I find it offensive, I won't watch it further.

But letting a 4 yr old watch Hellboy? That's seriously messed up. I wouldn't even watch it! No wonder he's scared of monsters.

See this link for more info on that movie: http://www.capalert.com/capreports/hellboy.htm

Please don't let him watch this. We need to shelter our children from such things. I have a 4 yr old son too. He is a Star Wars fan like his dad and we have to really pay attn to the movie and fast forward certain scenes that we feel are too much for him. It wouldn't bother him probably, but there's time enough for that stuff later.

Id sure be nice to have a list of those temple questions. I could start working on all of those now.

I can't verify that this is 100% correct, but I found this list of questions doing a quick search:

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[sixpacktr]

Shanstress,

I know that you are no longer LDS, but I'll be honest with you, you shouldn't put the questions out there for all to see. When I was in the Bishopric we weren't even allowed to have a copy of them: they had to stay in the temple recommend book. The same goes for the guide books we are given as PH leaders, those that state church policy. They aren't made generally known. I read them both, cover to cover. There isn't anything in there that is shocking or out of this world, but the church does not want these published for all to see. Why? I don't know, but I do believe that there is a reason behind it.

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13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?

Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

Thanks! I have a question about #13. Some of you know my preisthood blessings have not been restored yet, but I have been previously endowed. Can I wear garments now? Or would that be something that I shouldnt do? I cant think of a reason why I cant wear them, I mean I would think it would be a strength. If so, how can I get them? Will they allow me to buy them without a temple recommend?

Thanks!

[shanstress70]

Shanstress,

I know that you are no longer LDS, but I'll be honest with you, you shouldn't put the questions out there for all to see. When I was in the Bishopric we weren't even allowed to have a copy of them: they had to stay in the temple recommend book. The same goes for the guide books we are given as PH leaders, those that state church policy. They aren't made generally known. I read them both, cover to cover. There isn't anything in there that is shocking or out of this world, but the church does not want these published for all to see. Why? I don't know, but I do believe that there is a reason behind it.

Sorry! I just deleted them. Please believe that it did not even cross my mind that it wasn't common knowledge. I would have done the same thing even if I was still LDS (done a quick search and posted them.)

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Shanstress,

I wouldnt be too worried about it. In my opinion, people can view those questions you posted one of two ways...

1) Try and improve themselves

or

2) Learn how to lie about them

Further, there arent many secrets anymore regarding church things. I can go into the bishops office and look right at the Bishops Handbook as long as I dont take it out of the office. I used this when Bishop and I were trying to find direction on what to do for me becoming active again. Like you said, most of those things are right on the internet anyways.

Some of us want to improve quickly, others find ways to thwart us. This is not a problem with the church, its a problem with Humanity. Joseph Smith called it unrightous dominion, and I run accross it all the time. I've learned to laugh at it rather than get upset.

You would think that Heavanly Father would love for people to want to improve themselves, but there are always roadblocks of all kinds in the way - usually put up by uninspired people. When it comes from active members, its a sad day! But just another day in reality! All we can do is show people the light.

[shanstress70]

Thanks Wordflood. I do feel bad about it, even though I agree that these things should be common knowledge. I try hard to respect the beliefs of my LDS friends here, even if I don't agree with everything.

But yes, the internet changes things. You can get ahold of just about anything LDS related (temple ceremonies, handbook, etc)... or relating to other religions as well.

[the_jason]

Some of you know my preisthood blessings have not been restored yet, but I have been previously endowed. Can I wear garments now? Or would that be something that I shouldnt do? I cant think of a reason why I cant wear them, I mean I would think it would be a strength. If so, how can I get them? Will they allow me to buy them without a temple recommend?

Thanks!

When I went through church discipline I had not been wearing my garments. I was instructed by my stake leaders to wear the garments, so I did. It was quite some time after that until I was able to receive a temple reccomend again, but wearing the garments certainly helped to keep me on the right path until I was pronounced a member in good standing.

As for buying them, I'm not sure how it's done in the local distribution centers, but online they ask for your member number and confirmation date. If you aren't able to buy them you can have a family member, friend, or ward member buy them for you. You should consult with your bishop or stake president prior to purchasing them.

But yes, the internet changes things. You can get ahold of just about anything LDS related (temple ceremonies, handbook, etc)... or relating to other religions as well.

The only way you would find the wording or activities of a temple ceremony online is if some yahoo who went apostate decided to post them. The Church does not post these because of their sacred nature.

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Thanks. You recognize that I want to improve. Its a lot like handing me the sacrement, it allows me to choose for the right reason.

[the_jason]

Hey man I've been there. I know that church discipline was the best thing that happened to me spiritually. It was a tough process, but I saw the end from the beginning. I knew I had go through it in order to fully repent.

It's been almost 5 years since I got my recommend back. I ran into my old stake president last week and we still talk about the changes I went through. I thanked him for helping me to return to the correct path. I'll never stray again.

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[shanstress70]

The only way you would find the wording or activities of a temple ceremony online is if some yahoo who went apostate decided to post them. The Church does not post these because of their sacred nature.

Right... which people have done, bc they're pretty easy to find. Or at least they were 3 years ago or so. Haven't looked lately.

The internet has changed the world in that respect. There aren't many secrets anymore.

[a-train]

If anyone is in Church disciplinary process, they should counsel with their leaders about questions such as wearing sacred garments and so forth. This is not even slightly a question this forum can answer. An issue of this nature is decided by revelation to those holding keys to receive such, members of this forum possess no such keys...

..unless your Stake President is a participant in the forums, then still he will discuss your situation with you in the proper setting.

-a-train

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If anyone is in Church disciplinary process, they should counsel with their leaders about questions such as wearing sacred garments and so forth. This is not even slightly a question this forum can answer. An issue of this nature is decided by revelation to those holding keys to receive such, members of this forum possess no such keys...

..unless your Stake President is a participant in the forums, then still he will discuss your situation with you in the proper setting.

-a-train

Let me make one thing perfectly clear. I am in no Church disciplinary process.

A-Train,

Are we clear on that??????

[a-train]

Yikes,

Take it easy.

I didn't say you were.

I said: 'anyone'. Regardless of what sort of situation anyone is in, if the question of whether an endowed Church member should be wearing temple garments is asked, the question should be posted to the individual's priesthood leadership. They should not take advice on such a matter from anyone other than those who hold those keys.

This is all I am saying, I am not intimating YOU are in any disciplinary action at all.

-a-train

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Yikes,

Take it easy.

I didn't say you were.

I said: 'anyone'. Regardless of what sort of situation anyone is in, if the question of whether an endowed Church member should be wearing temple garments is asked, the question should be posted to the individual's priesthood leadership. They should not take advice on such a matter from anyone other than those who hold those keys.

This is all I am saying, I am not intimating YOU are in any disciplinary action at all.

-a-train

Thanks! My point is that it is "a question this forum can answer". And your premise for it not being so is incorrect. Thank you for understanding my point clearly.

I dont have any problem asking questions or posting answers. It IS a forum. If you feel its a sin, to answer, then that is your opinion and I welcome your post. My bishop and stake president are VERY busy, and I dont mind doing as much PRE-work as possible BEFORE I check in with them.

[Guest mamacat]

First, let me say I'm no longer LDS...

I'm not one to judge anyone for their choices. I enjoy 'R' movies myself and don't see anything wrong with some of them. If I find it offensive, I won't watch it further.

But letting a 4 yr old watch Hellboy? That's seriously messed up. I wouldn't even watch it! No wonder he's scared of monsters.

See this link for more info on that movie: http://www.capalert.com/capreports/hellboy.htm

Please don't let him watch this. We need to shelter our children from such things. I have a 4 yr old son too. He is a Star Wars fan like his dad and we have to really pay attn to the movie and fast forward certain scenes that we feel are too much for him. It wouldn't bother him probably, but there's time enough for that stuff later.

wow, great info Shanstress...thanks for that review of the movie. what we have is actually an animated version, but it's frightening and questionable nonetheless. it does hurt my heart to see my babe assaulted with these violent movies that his father insists on watching with him. when he was younger he would have him watch all kinds of adult movies, full of violence and combat, regardless of what i would ask. and his father is extremely retaliatory, so that anytime i venture any question of his behavior regarding my son, i feel the wrath. i do wish that i had been more stringent about such things, but i was quite beaten down most of the time we were married, so at times i just didn't have the strength. though it's so much better now that we are apart, esp for my son, i still have to step very lightly around his narcissism to avoid major violence and fighting. and that's what i wish to keep as far from my son as possible.

my son has had bad dreams since viewing Hellboy, and we talked about it a lot...he seems to understand that movies can have an undesirable effect on his head, that they simply are creations from someone's imagination, much like a drawing or painting he might make, and that sometimes we are better off not watching some of them. although tonight he was being rather defiant and demanded to watch a 'violent' movie.... we talked it over and watched Curious George. :)

i have asked my ex-husband to alert me to the movies he plans to bring from now on, praying that he will not see fit to punish me for trying to 'censor' him, which he despises....though i really can't understand why he feels it his parental right to use foul language and make sexist and racist remarks in my son's presence....and demand the freedom to do so. he always said he should be allowed to do whatever he wished in his own home, but i don't believe that includes the right to damage the psyche and soul of a very young child.

anyway, thanks very much again for expressing your feelings about this movie....i was feeling rather distressed about it. though my babe has agreed now that we should toss the movie.

love 'n everything, mamacat

[shanstress70]

Ugh... I'm sorry about the situation with your ex. I understand your need to remain diplomatic to him in order to not fight in front of your child, and applaud you for doing that.

Hopefully your child will be the one to tell his father that he doesn't want to watch such movies. If he gains an understanding of why he shouldn't watch them, bc of the effect they have on him, hopefully he will just play with something while his father watches the movie. I'm amazed at the level of reasoning that children of this age are capable of.