Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Some of you who have been LDS alot longer than me will probably file this in the "duh" file, but... I came across something neet the other day...In Genesis 2:17, God tells Adam that in the DAY that he eats of the forbidden fruit...he will die. Well, we are taught that a day to God is a 1000 years to us...I got to thinking about that...Adam lived 930 years (Gen.5:5) Sooooo.....he actually DID die the same day that he ate of the fruit! God ment that literally!!!!KOOL!!!! so, to take that idea one step further...I got to thinking about Kolob time and Earth time...Jesus said,"behold,I come quickly"....well, if we go by God's time...he has only been in Heaven for a little over two days!!! It's been a couple thousand years for us...but to God....only days. I took this another step and got to thinking about my grandmother who died in 1972...she has only been in Heaven for a few hours! This thought put alot of things into perspective for me...and now I don't feel so confused when God seems to be taking his time with answers to my prayers...Just something I have been thinking about reciently...Thoughts? Oops! I think I put this in the wrong catigory....sorry...I'm still learning the ropes!
FrankJL Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 hmm....Thought provoking, thats for sure.. New here myself....it seems makes sense though. I too will wait for the more erudite to expand on this..
MaidservantX Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 I have heard this thought or explanation before, yedi. It is fine to think of it that way. I also sometimes think of the sentence this way -- that the word "day" ONLY qualifies the time when he was eating. In the DAY THAT YOU EAT IT, you will die. AT THE POINT AT WHICH YOU EAT IT, you will initiate the process and condition of mortality. This is all in King James English, by the way, which has always been severely inadequate in transferring the actual meaning of many passages. I would be interested to know, yedi, in your study of Hebrew or such, what that passage says in that language? Happy seeking!
CrimsonKairos Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 The word "day" in Genesis comes from the Hebrew word "yom" which literally means "24 hour period" with regard to a morning and an evening. However, "yom" is also used in other contexts to mean different things other than a strict 24 hour period. One day = 1,000 years....yep. Adam dying in the "day" (1,000 years) he ate of the fruit....yep.
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 I have heard this thought or explanation before, yedi. It is fine to think of it that way. I also sometimes think of the sentence this way -- that the word "day" ONLY qualifies the time when he was eating.In the DAY THAT YOU EAT IT, you will die.AT THE POINT AT WHICH YOU EAT IT, you will initiate the process and condition of mortality.This is all in King James English, by the way, which has always been severely inadequate in transferring the actual meaning of many passages. I would be interested to know, yedi, in your study of Hebrew or such, what that passage says in that language?Happy seeking!Wow, girl...you are smart! I have a Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) I looked up Genesis 2:17...it reads: "but as for the tree of knowledge of good and bad , you must not eat of it; for as soon as you eat of it , you shall die.""as soon as you eat of it" boy, you called that one streight! Kudos to you!Yediyd
Annabelli Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Yediyd: Thank you for your post. I enjoyed it very much. It reassures me that the Missionary Program is a very necessary part of our church. Each and every member who joins always rekindles the gospel for us all.
a-train Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Not only did Adam die in the first 1000 years, but the longest recorded sojourn on earth was Methuselah at 969 years. Currently, the oldest confirmed person reached only 122. Yone Minagawa, is said to be alive at the time I am typing this and she was born on January 4, 1893, imagine that, 114! Imagine living through every minute of the 20th century and into the 21st! -a-train
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Yediyd: Thank you for your post. I enjoyed it very much. It reassures me that the Missionary Program is a very necessary part of our church. Each and every member who joins always rekindles the gospel for us all.God bless those missionaries! Yes I am a product of the missionary program. Actully...I saw a comercial on tv...wanted to know more, then welcomed the missionaries into my home...that was three years ago, now I am an endowed member and will ALWAYS love my missionaries! I wrote a poem for them...It's called: To Whom Much is Given and can be found in my blog.
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Adam didn't die.....neither did Moses....or Elijah. Beg to differ, Luke...Genesis 5:5..."And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died."
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Adam didn't die.....neither did Moses....or Elijah. Beg to differ, Luke...Genesis 5:5..."And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died."The Bible is wrong. Adam didn't die...neither did Moses...or Elijah WHAT? The Binle is wrong? Where is your proof? The Bible says in Romans..."yea, let God be true and every man a liar...you are going to need to show me some hard proof or a quote from the Prohpet to get me to believe THAT.
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Its ok, the Bible also said that Moses died and was even buried (Deuteronomy 34:5-6) It means that was the point where his mortal life ended. Moses was translated and later appeared, with a body, on the Mount of Transfiguration. It depends upon your audience as to how you explain things. :)Ummm, Yeah! His mortal life ENDED! I'm not going to argue with you about what happens after this life...but it is clear that their mortal lives ENDED...Hello...DIED!!!!!
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 <div class='quotemain'><div class='quotemain'>Its ok, the Bible also said that Moses died and was even buried (Deuteronomy 34:5-6) It means that was the point where his mortal life ended. Moses was translated and later appeared, with a body, on the Mount of Transfiguration. It depends upon your audience as to how you explain things. :)Ummm, Yeah! His mortal life ENDED! I'm not going to argue with you about what happens after this life...but it is clear that their mortal lives ENDED...Hello...DIED!!!!!Er, HELLO, KNOCK, KNOCK anybody home?? No died and translated are two different things. Death means drop down dead, you know, stop breathing, gone, spirit leaves body. Translated means going from mortal to immortal without dying, hence TRANSLATED...CHANGED in the twinkling of an eye. I am home and I don't like your tone...If you want to teach me something...belittling me is NOT the way to get my attention. I am new to LDS, but not the Bible...I trust my Bible over some rude jerk on a chat site.
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 You are right, I guess I was offended by the tone of your responce to me in the first place...but it was wrong of me to go to that level and even more wrong to get angry with you for responding in kind...I'm sorry...I still dissagree with you...but there was no need to get nasty about it...Truce?
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 <div class='quotemain'>You are right, I guess I was offended by the tone of your responce to me in the first place...but it was wrong of me to go to that level and even more wrong to get angry with you for responding in kind...I'm sorry...I still dissagree with you...but there was no need to get nasty about it...Truce?Yes, of course, we'll have to agree to disagree. kool.
CrimsonKairos Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Luke, we know Moses was translated. Where in the world do you get that Adam was translated? In case that's not clear, I'm asking for scriptures or statements, not your opinions. The Bible translations may be questionable, but Moses 6:12 says the exact same thing: Adam died. Not to mention the fact that you're making God a liar. After all, didn't He promise Adam that after he ate the fruit, he'd die? I don't get where you're coming up with this stuff.
Annabelli Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Luke, we know Moses was translated.Where in the world do you get that Adam was translated? In case that's not clear, I'm asking for scriptures or statements, not your opinions.The Bible translations may be questionable, but Moses 6:12 says the exact same thing: Adam died.Not to mention the fact that you're making God a liar. After all, didn't He promise Adam that after he ate the fruit, he'd die?I don't get where you're coming up with this stuff.Yediyd's post was a Testimony and very significant and spiritual to me. LukeAir2006's comments were irresponsible bearing no resemblance to the LDS Faith.
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 <div class='quotemain'>Luke, we know Moses was translated.Where in the world do you get that Adam was translated? In case that's not clear, I'm asking for scriptures or statements, not your opinions.The Bible translations may be questionable, but Moses 6:12 says the exact same thing: Adam died.Not to mention the fact that you're making God a liar. After all, didn't He promise Adam that after he ate the fruit, he'd die?I don't get where you're coming up with this stuff.Yediyd's post was a Testimony and very significant and spiritual to me. LukeAir2006's comments were irresponsible bearing no resemblance to the LDS Faith.Thank you Annabelli and CK...
vinny15 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Hey thats all pretty cool yediyd. I never thought of that.
Guest Yediyd Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Hey thats all pretty cool yediyd. I never thought of that.sure puts things into perspective...doesn't it?
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