The Folk Prophet Posted June 5, 2015 Report Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) I didn't say that there wasn't a cogent argument - only that I would be hard-pressed to present one myself. To me laying a fleece out to see if it collects dew sounds uncannily similar to balancing a pencil and seeing which way it spins. But of course I'm no expert on such things. There is a very, very distinct difference. 1. God, if it is Thy will then.... 2. Charlie Charlie, if it is thy will then... The fleece vs. the pencil is not my point at all. The prayer to God vs. the "prayer" to Charlie is the point, and is all the "cogent" anyone needs for the argument. Now if people were using the pencil thing and saying, "God, God...etc..." then we'd have a different thing to discuss as related to the fleece thing, and my back might be up against the wall a bit more, as I would surely still contend that it wasn't valid or of God -- but the cogent argument become decidedly more difficult. Edited June 5, 2015 by The Folk Prophet Palerider, Just_A_Guy and Jamie123 3 Quote
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