just how much income is a person "supposed to have"?

[Guest]

Not every community has Uber. Boise does right now, but there are people who are fighting to push it out. They succeeded for awhile. The rural community I live in outside of Boise certainly doesn't have it.

[LeSellers]

That's fine and well if you happen to live somewhere with public transportation.

If you don't, and you feel you need a car you can't afford, then move to a place with public transportation.

Lehi

[Guest MormonGator]

Not every community has Uber. Boise does right now, but there are people who are fighting to push it out. They succeeded for awhile. The rural community I live in outside of Boise certainly doesn't have it.

 Sorry Eowyn. Uber actually saves lives. Many drunk people have gotten rides from Uber instead of driving 

[Guest]

"Just move". You're funny. Do another one.

[Guest MormonGator]

"Just move". You're funny. Do another one.

 Agree. Doesn't work that way, unfortunately. You need to find other options. Borrow rides from a friend, scrimp and save. I know it's tough Eowyn. My heart goes out to you. 

[LeSellers]

At least you aren't being judgmental or anything.

At least there's that.  

There are so many factors that go into decision making and so many variables when it comes to decisions about jobs, schooling, etc. What works for me might not work for my next door neighbor, and that's okay.

What works is not always what's best, not for you, not for the children, not for society.

Lehi

[Guest]

I have transportation. It's paid for. It's not fancy, but I really like it and I'm thankful for it. We do have many other challenges at this phase in life, but thankfully we have reliable transportation. We've gone with one car and it didn't work well at all. For one thing, it was nigh unto impossible to get a sick kid to the doctor, and nevermind emergencies. "Just" getting a ride from someone isn't always an option, and doing so regularly isn't even really possible. People start to say "no" when you have to take advantage of the things they've worked hard to get, as well as their time. For another thing, a lot of errands that need to be done to keep a house running, need to be done during business hours. Also, I was doing things like grocery shopping during the little bit of time I should have had with my husband.

 

I don't homeschool my kids. They are all in different schools that suit their individual needs; needs and schools that we carefully and prayerfully considered. We are involved in their education. Homeschool was not the right answer for us, and what we have is working well. Not that it's anyone's business but those who actually have stewardship over my children. I'll give you a hint: if you're reading this, that's not you. 

 

As far as moving, here's why the very suggestion is hilarious: moving is very, very expensive. Not only is it expensive in the short term, but moving from an area with no public transportation (rural) to an area with public transportation (urban) will cost a lot more in increased housing expense than having a modest car. I don't have an MBA, but I do have a calculator. 

 

I am confident in the decisions my husband and I make prayerfully, without asking LeSellers or anyone else who thinks it's their business to determine whether what we're doing is best for us or for society. I am confident that if you make your decisions prayerfully, which I assume you do, you could say the same directed at me. 

Edited January 6, 2016 by Eowyn

[Guest]

I agree. Having one car is extremely difficult, especially with kids, other jobs, etc. If you live in a rural community, it's borderline impossible to impossible. 

 

This completely depends on where you are, what your job is, etc. etc.

 

For example... we have 2 cars.  One is completely luxury.  We can do without it.  Even without buses.  I can drive my kids to school on the way to dropping off my husband at his job.  I stay home.  But, if I didn't, I would have to have the 2nd car because it would be too much to juggle my job, my husband's job, and the kids' activities with 1 car.

[Guest MormonGator]

This completely depends on where you are, what your job is, etc. etc.

 

 

 Agree, but for many, many people having two cars is a must. 

[Guest]

 Agree, but for many, many people having two cars is a must. 

 

Sure.

 

And for many, many people - like the ones living in New York City - they don't need any.  I have an uncle living in NYC.  He has a car that is in a garage in New Jersey.  Hah hah.

[LeSellers]

I don't homeschool my kids. They are all in different schools that suit their individual needs; needs and schools that we carefully and prayerfully considered. We are involved in their education. Homeschool was not the right answer for us, and what we have is working well. Not that it's anyone's business but those who actually have stewardship over my children. I'll give you a hint: if you're reading this, that's not you.

All that's really nice and all, but if you send your child to a government-run, tax-funded, welfare school, you choice affects me by forcing me to pay for it.

If they are private schools, feel free to do as you will. But an entitlement mentality (to use my money to pay for your responsibilities) gives me a right to protest and object.

Lehi

Edited January 6, 2016 by LeSellers

[Guest MormonGator]

Sure.

 

And for many, many people - like the ones living in New York City - they don't need any.  I have an uncle living in NYC.  He has a car that is in a garage in New Jersey.  Hah hah.

 Oh absolutely, 100% true. One of the benefits of living in a city is you don't need a car at all sometimes. 

Too bad the rent is 4500 a month for a closet!! 

Edited January 6, 2016 by MormonGator

[Guest]

All that's really nice and all, but if you send your child to a government-run, tax-funded, welfare school, you choice affects me by forcing me to pay for it.

If they are private schools, feel free to do as you will. But an entitlement mentality (to use my money to pay for your responsibilities) gives me a right to protest and object.

Lehi

 

Why don't you just move somewhere with a small school system and lower property taxes?

[Guest]

 Oh absolutely, 100% true. One of the benefits of living in a city is you don't need a car period sometimes. 

Too bad the rent is 4500 a month for a closet!! 

 

That's why they don't have cars.  LOL.

[LeSellers]

Why don't you just move somewhere with a small school system and lower property taxes?

Ha, ha.

Taxes are theft, and no matter where I live, there will still be grtf-welfare schools I will be forced to pay for.

Your aside aside, does my paying for your choices give me the right to object or not? If not, then you are aggressing against me. If so, you are still aggressing against me, but at least you're not abrogating my right to free speech.

Lehi

[Guest MormonGator]

Ha, ha.

Taxes are theft, and no matter where I live, there will still be grtf-welfare schools I will be forced to pay for.

Your aside aside, does my paying for your choices give me the right to object or not? If not, then you are aggressing against me. If so, you are still aggressing against me, but at least you're not abrogating my right to free speech.

Lehi

 Taxes are theft, but even the legendary and godlike (little g) Milton Friedman approved of some taxation. 

[Guest]

Well technically you aren't paying for my anything, unless we're neighbors. But I pay plenty of property taxes myself. And under that mentality, I could whine about your sense of entitlement in using the roads and ambulance service and other infrastructure that MY taxes are paying for.

 

I am not one of the many who live on a sense of entitlement. Your argument is rife with fallacies.Your beef is not with me, sir, and I am not your problem. Talk to your legislators or buy yourself an island. 

[LeSellers]

Well technically you aren't paying for my anything, unless we're neighbors. But I pay plenty of property taxes myself. And under that mentality, I could whine about your sense of entitlement in using the roads and ambulance service and other infrastructure that MY taxes are paying for.

The Federal Department of Education assures that I am paying for your choice to take my money to educate your children.

Roads are paid for by "use taxes" assessed at the pump, and are roughly usage fees, not taxes. Ambulances are private around here, no taxes.

The old "you use the roads, you're a hypocrite" argument is spurious. There is no choice. The government denies anyone the right to own a road, operate a fire department, and on and on, so I am forced to use their "services" at twice their rational cost, with half the benefit.

So, again, your choice to take my money to fulfill your responsibilities is my ticket to object.

 

I am not one of the many who live on a sense of entitlement. Your argument is rife with fallacies.Your beef is not with me, sir, and I am not your problem. Talk to your legislators or buy yourself an island.

If you use the schools, and feel no need to reimburse the district, you are taking my money.

If my argument is rife with fallacies, demonstrate them.

Yes, I have talked with legislators, and they love the power grtf-welfare schools give them, so they are not inclined to hear my case.

It's the voters who need to know how grtf-welfare schools are destroying the Family and making mental slaves of the studnets and the adults they will become.

Lehi

Edited January 6, 2016 by LeSellers

[LeSellers]

Taxes are theft, but even the legendary and godlike (little g) Milton Friedman approved of some taxation.

Friedman is not my conscience.

Lehi

[Guest]

I've started and erased a lot of arguments to your philosophies, but have determined that I'm not going to get anywhere with you. You want to talk at people about what you've decided, not consider other points of view. I don't have the energy for that. Suffice it to say I disagree. 

[estradling75]

I've started and erased a lot of arguments to your philosophies, but have determined that I'm not going to get anywhere with you. You want to talk at people about what you've decided, not consider other points of view. I don't have the energy for that. Suffice it to say I disagree. 

 

Eowyn,  When people may claims that you should listen to them more then Jesus...  You need to give them a big Whatever and walk away.  Continue to prayerfully and carefully study you options and then do what the spirit directs and let the whiners whine...

[Backroads]

If they are private schools, feel free to do as you will. But an entitlement mentality (to use my money to pay for your responsibilities) gives me a right to protest and object.

 

 

If I'm following this conversation, you have the right to object to someone privately owning a car? Seriously?

[Guest MormonGator]

Friedman is not my conscience.

Lehi

 He's not my conscience either, but as a libertarian (in particular on economic issues) he's mentor. He is for 90% of libertarians too.  Great guy, great writer. So glad I was introduced to him, Hayek, Bastiat, Adam Smith...the like. All generally support some form of taxation. 

In grad school, a professor said it best "When you read Shakespeare and disagree, you are the problem. Not him."  Same with these guys

Edited January 6, 2016 by MormonGator

[LeSellers]

I've started and erased a lot of arguments to your philosophies, but have determined that I'm not going to get anywhere with you. You want to talk at people about what you've decided, not consider other points of view. I don't have the energy for that. Suffice it to say I disagree.

I'll consider anything that does not use force, fraud or threat to get what someone else wants at my (and other's) expense.

Lehi

[Guest]

Well, Adam Smith also supported some forms of welfare.  So does Friedman.