Antonin Scalia Dies

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

If I wanted to, I could create a very good theory that says we were all created one hour ago with memories, food, and our lives by a race of giant space aliens.

DO YOU MEAN WE DIDN'T????

Ah man, I was looking forward to going all Neo on the world.  So, Hulu tonight?

[Guest MormonGator]

7 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

DO YOU MEAN WE DIDN'T????

Ah man, I was looking forward to going all Neo on the world.  So, Hulu tonight?

That's awesome. 

[unixknight]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

"Simplest" (to me) means "the most common".  It is not common for a man with no known severe health issues (per his doctor) to suddenly die.  It is more common for a man with no severe health issues to die suddenly of unnatural causes.

Fixed.

I'm not conclusively stating that it was or wasn't natural causes, but Occam's Razor tells me that, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, his death was natural.

[Guest MormonGator]

11 minutes ago, unixknight said:

Fixed.

I'm not conclusively stating that it was or wasn't natural causes, but Occam's Razor tells me that, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, his death was natural.

Better said that I could. I was with Carb at first-I was also worried about an "accidental" death-when I first heard about it. 

(and I'm totally with him on the fact that we are all lizard people. Amen, brother!)

 

[unixknight]

Yeah I mean the Government and some of the people in it have been known to do some breathtakingly shady things over the years, so I wouldn't rule out foul play entirely... It's just we have to be reasonable about it.  (Not saying you aren't being reasonable, Carb.  I know you aren't adamantly pushing that theory either.)  I'm just saying where I'm coming from.

[Guest]

36 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Better said that I could. I was with Carb at first-I was also worried about an "accidental" death-when I first heard about it. 

(and I'm totally with him on the fact that we are all lizard people. Amen, brother!)

 

I just wish I had an animated gif of a lizard with his tongue.

[Just_A_Guy]

6 hours ago, Carborendum said:

No, they don't.  They usually signs of declining health first.  He had very little wrong with him according to his doctor.

Hmm.  I've heard the opposite--that Scalia needed shoulder surgery, but that his physicians felt he was too weak to survive such a procedure.

Nevertheless, if Obama doesn't make a recess appointment before the Senate comes back into session, I'll be much more inclined to believe that this is all coincidence.

On a--well not happier, but more heartwarming note--Washington Post: "I'm a liberal lawyer. Clerking for Scalia taught me how to think about the law."

[Guest MormonGator]

9 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

 

On a--well not happier, but more heartwarming note--Washington Post: "I'm a liberal lawyer. Clerking for Scalia taught me how to think about the law."

I got a very nice note from a liberal friend of mine, 

"Sorry he is dead. Your side lost a giant." It was very sweet, really. 

I admire Ruth Bader Ginsburg. You could tell she was very upset at the death of her friend. Here are two people who agreed on virtually nothing but remained wonderful friends. You don't see that much. 

Edited February 18, 2016 by MormonGator

[Vort]

12 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

On a--well not happier, but more heartwarming note--Washington Post: "I'm a liberal lawyer. Clerking for Scalia taught me how to think about the law."

I get discouraged reading that. The author fawns over Scalia because -- get this -- he didn't let his sociopolitical thought dictate how he approached a legal issue.

I thought that was the whole point of the Supreme Court.

The fact that a graduated law student had to clerk FOR THE SUPREME COURT in order to learn this most obvious of facts tells me we are headed for disaster.

[Guest MormonGator]

8 minutes ago, Vort said:

 

The fact that a graduated law student had to clerk FOR THE SUPREME COURT in order to learn this most obvious of facts tells me we are headed for disaster.

Have faith my friend. Remember that life in the UK in the 70's was much worse. They called it the "winter of their discontent". Then the legendary and wonderful Margaret Thatcher arrived. So you can never lose hope. 

[Just_A_Guy]

We take our wins where we can get 'em, Vort.  It's the world we live in. 

However common-sensical your theory sounds to most of us; I don't think it has really been in vogue at SCOTUS since the Franklin Roosevelt administration at least--and maybe not ever.

Edited February 18, 2016 by Just_A_Guy

[Guest]

Even John Marshall had such fault.

[Vort]

38 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Even John Marshall had such fault.

Was it not the Marshall Court that unconstitutionally seized judicial review? But that battle is over 200 years old and long dead, and from what I have read was a battle that was conceded almost immediately and never seriously fought.

[Guest]

And that is what is the source of the judicial tyranny that we are vicitm to today.

[Just_A_Guy]

7 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Even John Marshall had such fault.

Perhaps, but remember that in Marbury Marshall did up ruling against his own party.

[Guest]

He may have.  But regardless of the immediate effects, the long term effect was that we have judicial tyranny.  The notion that the judiciary has the final word is tyrannical.  We the people need to have the last word.  The truth is that not only the judiciary should have the power to interpret the Constitution and the law.  We all have that power and that responsibility.  If Congress, for example, would stop and ask if the laws they are passing are Constitutional before they start debating the merits of the laws themselves, federal laws would be a tiny fraction of what we have today.

Who was it, Jackson of Johnson? who essentially told the Supreme Court to stuff it because he refused to enforce a law that he himself found unconstitutional.  I don't remember the details of the law in question.  But if it really was unconstitutional, I'd say he was doing his job.  If it was not, that is what impeachment is for.

This is why we have three branches.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Guest

[Jojo Bags]

On ‎2‎/‎14‎/‎2016 at 11:50 AM, MormonGator said:

There is no conspiracy. He was old, smoked heavily and in bad shape. Ockham's Razor everyone. Think hard. People of his age who smoke, eat bad food, are in poor physical condition often die. This isn't complicated. It's deeply tragic and I'm crushed by it, but there is no conspiracy. 

All homicide investigators are basically trained to use the same methods.  One fundamental part of their training is that all deaths are considered homicides until the evidence proves otherwise or he was ill and attended by a physician at the time of death.  Scalia was found with a pillow over his head.  Is that normal?  Possibly, but it should have raised questions.  The thing that is odiferous about this whole situation is that no investigation whatsoever was conducted.  Within hours, he was declared dead from natural causes without a formal investigation, without an autopsy, without a toxicology report, without any supporting evidence - period.

With this particular individual being a high, very important government official, another thing that homicide investigations would normally look into is what was he involved in at the time of his death and who would profit from it?  Let's look at that.  Either personally or at his direction, Barry has promulgated a huge number of executive orders and rules and regulations that are questionable at best and outright illegal at worst.  His orders on gun control and illegal immigration amnesty come to mind just for starters.  Justice Scalia was a staunch, vocal supporter of the Second Amendment and has spoken out against illegal immigration.  He did everything in his power to influence the Court to block those orders, and he was quite successful at it.

Next, take a look at Barry.  He is a socialist.  He was raised by socialists, espouses socialism, and everything he says and does is right out of the socialist handbook.  Before he ran for president, he gave interviews stating that he did not believe that any American should own firearms.  He stated that he would "fundamentally transform America."  The majority of the sheeple who believed that line of biological waste products and voted for him didn't realize that his fundamental transformation would turn the U.S. into the United Socialist States of America.  In line with his transformation, Barry has attempted to ram "gun control" down our throats.  The so-called "changes" he is trying to ram through will effectively disarm all Americans.  If his amnesty gets a passing grade, his fundamental transformation will actually change the very fabric of society.  He will be able to further implement the Cloward-Piven strategy and eventually bring down the welfare system, and with it the rest of America when those immigrants go straight on welfare.

So, which Supreme Court justice stood in his way more than anyone else?  Scalia.  Who would profit enormously by his death?  Barry.

So, the question is: was Scalia murdered or did he die of natural causes? 

I don't know.  Do I believe that the Gadiantons who control our government killed Justice Scalia?  I don't know, but based on my law enforcement experience and the totality of the circumstances, I'm more inclined to seriously question it.  However, we'll never know now, will we?

[Just_A_Guy]

9 hours ago, Carborendum said:

Who was it, Jackson of Johnson? who essentially told the Supreme Court to stuff it because he refused to enforce a law that he himself found unconstitutional.  I don't remember the details of the law in question.  But if it really was unconstitutional, I'd say he was doing his job.  If it was not, that is what impeachment is for.

This is why we have three branches.

Jackson.  Something to the effect of "Justice Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it."

Incidentally, the law in question evicted Native Americans from Georgia.

[Guest MormonGator]

1 hour ago, Jojo Bags said:

  I don't know, but based on my law enforcement experience and the totality of the circumstances, I'm more inclined to seriously question it.  However, we'll never know now, will we?

Well, just like the X-Files says, the truth is out there. A good conspiracy theorist can make anything sound questionable. Just like how a good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. 

There is a reason conspiracy theorists are regulate to the internet and obscure late night talk radio. 

Edited February 19, 2016 by MormonGator

[NightSG]

1 hour ago, MormonGator said:

A good conspiracy theorist can make anything sound questionable.

Oswald was just defending himself.  JFK shot first.

[Guest MormonGator]

7 minutes ago, NightSG said:

Oswald was just defending himself.  JFK shot first.

LOL! Love it!

[Guest]

JFK was a red shirt