Dnar

[sixpacktr]

A DNR is not killing someone. It is the patient or the signor who makes the decision not to have heroic efforts made on their behalf.

We will all leave this earth one day and death it the only way out. I do not currently have a DNR but if I were to become terminally ill I would get one.

I agree--a DNR is not the same as euthanasia...

[shanstress70]

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Not going to argue the point, Aphrodite. Self defense, and defending your life in war, are acceptable. Killing someone because of what you believe is right and humane is not.

It isn't up for debate.

I happen to agree with you in this instance, 6pack, but who are you to say if something is up for debate or not? Sorry, but that statement kind of bugged me.

Hey Shan,

I should have added "for me" to the end of that. I credit the drugs for my cold. I'm a tad loopy...

People can debate all they want, but sometimes issues are black and white, and it then just becomes a exercise in rhetoric, to see if you can justify something that is inherently wrong.

Hope you feel better, 6! A summer cold is no fun.

[Alaskagain]

Hope you feel better, 6! A summer cold is no fun.

ditto. . .

If I have a heart attack today and stop breathing, yes, I want CPR, breathing tubes, whatever . . .

But if I were 97 and had suffered 4 major coronaries in the past 2 years, I would want to have a signed DNR on hand. . . .

[Moksha]

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[And you would feel no qualms about killing yourself? Not leaving it in God's hands, but instead taking your own life, or having someone else take it for you?

I would prefer if someone else did it, so it would be painless and efficient.

Just to feel I contributed to the common good, I would not mind if they converted me into Soylent Green.

Oh, did I mention that I would regard those who assisted me out of this unceasing pain to be instruments or agents of God.

[the Ogre]

DNR is an issue I have not yet come to an answer on. I think it is a little too similar to suicide. My maternal grandparents had DNRs and they did provide the ease they sought or were trying to gain (grandpa had Alzheimer’s, but got the DNR before the diagnosis) as they died.

My parents both have them, but I think they are still a little too young to consider it.

I don't know. It is a hard subject that I am not going to surrender on until I have completely examined every detail.

Regarding euthanasia, I despise it. I think it is too similar to Eugenics. Some will disagree, and I am interested in other opinions, but overall I do not think there are many convincing arguments for it.

[Aphrodite]

My parents both have them, but I think they are still a little too young to consider it.

Why do your parents have them? You would only have one if you were really old or terminally ill and suffering surely?

[sixpacktr]

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[And you would feel no qualms about killing yourself? Not leaving it in God's hands, but instead taking your own life, or having someone else take it for you?

I would prefer if someone else did it, so it would be painless and efficient.

Just to feel I contributed to the common good, I would not mind if they converted me into Soylent Green.

Oh, did I mention that I would regard those who assisted me out of this unceasing pain to be instruments or agents of God.

You may consider them 'angels of God', but since they took a life I'm not so sure that HF would agree.

Since you are so magnanimous towards others murdering you, would you, in turn, kill someone else that asked you to?

[Moksha]

Since you are so magnanimous towards others murdering you, would you, in turn, kill someone else that asked you to?

Only for a terminally ill loved one in unceasing pain and only if I had the medical expertise not to botch the job.

[Annabelli]

Here was the situation with my SIL: She was taken into surgery from the ER. Through the course of the surgery, it was determined that she was dying of cancer. The doctor's patched her out so that the family could have a "mercy death" at her bedside.

The family decided if they could prolong her death a few hours why not just continue. After three months, I got a call from one of the doctors who had found my name listed on an obit of another family member.

He gave me a call and told me about all of this and asked me to call one of the family and try to get them to stop the medical procedures. What I learned was that it was not a matter of keeping her alive that was the problem but that they were having some burial/funeral conflicts between the two families.

Apparently the doctor was able to negotiate the funeral arrangements and SIL died a few days later.

[pushka]

Was your SIL suffering during the time she was kept alive? Was she able to converse with the staff or members of the family? or was she, for all intents and purposes already dead?

It sounds as if the family was acting callously by keeping her alive longer than was necessary or humane, just so that they could disagree over the funeral arrangements. Had she already signed a DNAR document?

[sixpacktr]

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Since you are so magnanimous towards others murdering you, would you, in turn, kill someone else that asked you to?

Only for a terminally ill loved one in unceasing pain and only if I had the medical expertise not to botch the job.

I pray you will never be faced with that situation, because I fear you would lose your soul.

Wow, to take death so lightly, to be so enlightened as to know when to end someone's life based upon your puny understanding of it all...

[Moksha]

Wow, to take death so lightly, to be so enlightened as to know when to end someone's life based upon your puny understanding of it all...

I do seek enlightenment. Sometimes we have to trust that God will guide our hand. Perhaps when you are older and the limits of your mortality seem more defined, you can appreciate not wishing to have yourself or a loved one experience unceasing pain in an inevitable end. We should of course cherish our lives but be wise enough to admit that the end will come and that it need not be unbearable.