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[Guest Starsky]

Hey I posted twice on this thread and both posts are gone....

Weird...now they are back....I think I am in the twilight zone...

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Starsky@Jun 21 2004, 08:26 PM

Hey I posted twice on this thread and both posts are gone....

You're just TOO vulgar, Starsky! Watch that language.

[Guest Starsky]

Originally posted by shanstress70+Jun 21 2004, 06:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (shanstress70 @ Jun 21 2004, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Starsky@Jun 21 2004, 08:26 PM

Hey I posted twice on this thread and both posts are gone....

You're just TOO vulgar, Starsky! Watch that language.

LOL...I guess so....I know there is a forum I go to that if I dare say I hate bush....they delete my posts...maybe that same mad hatter rules here...

[Winnie G]

Bill Mahr I loved his show he let both sides of the coin show, But you had to watch him to know how and what mindset he uses to draw out the thoughts out of his guests.

He said that it took guts to fly in to a building and said their religion did not make them cowards. You have to think about it from the terrorist viewpoint. To them they were doing Ala work, a holy thing, to us yes cowards but to them they were martyrs for Ala.

And yes he “compared” the lobbing bombs 100’s a mail away, witch the US has done, to a bunch of religionist zealots using a symbol of economy power over the poor underdeveloped countries. You have had to see his show and watched it on a regular bases to understand what

Bill Mahr’s show was about. He NEVER Laughed.

Were do people get off thinking he thought it was funny? Could it be over zealots Americans pounding their God Bless American chest? He was right to also pointing out President Bush’s use of 911 to wipe Americans in to a “GET UM” Rag! To back the war that went past Afghanistan and in to Iraq. He was not the first to point that out. Even the 911 hearings have made reference to that.

Now look at to were it has gotten to young men and women dieing daily wile there hands are tied behind there back by politicians, You know it and I know it if the military when it there with a free rain to do what it took in the first place, those soldiers would have done their business and be home. You tell me I’m wrong there!

He hit people in spots were they had not done before. (In their thinking)

You should have seen how he handled the Mormon girl who did the MTV house thing and she acted all surprised BYU told her she would not be welcome back next fall.

He is not a fan of the church but he climbed her like a tree. Asking her if she really excepted people to feel for her for knowingly braking the code of conduct she agree to and at the University her parents had spent money to send her to. She did not have much to say after that. YES Bill Mahr! That’s one for BYU!

Jenda

tanker truck filled with gasoline into the building where you work you will stand there and laugh and clap and go telling everyone how great it was because it took a lot of guts to do that.

You don’t think I See it that way?

[Jenda]

Originally posted by Starsky@Jun 21 2004, 06:26 PM

Hey I posted twice on this thread and both posts are gone....

I deleted one post where you quoted one of Rodney's vulgar posts which I deleted. But that was the only one I deleted.

[Faerie]

Originally posted by Winnie G@Jun 21 2004, 10:20 PM

Were do people get off thinking he thought it was funny? Could it be over zealots Americans pounding their God Bless American chest? He was right to also pointing out President Bush’s use of 911 to wipe Americans in to a “GET UM” Rag! To back the war that went past Afghanistan and in to Iraq. He was not the first to point that out. Even the 911 hearings have made reference to that.

Now look at to were it has gotten to young men and women dieing daily wile there hands are tied behind there back by politicians, You know it and I know it if the military when it there with a free rain to do what it took in the first place, those soldiers would have done their business and be home. You tell me I’m wrong there!

I'm sorry Winnie, but you are VERY wrong here. Are you American or are you Canadian? I haven't quite figured this out yet.

Bush did not "use 9/11" to stir up patriotic fervor. See, over 3000 Americans died in a horrible, unjustified manner. Our sovereign soil had been tainted with terror. We all sat and watched as one of the greatest cities in the country was torn apart in a matter of minutes. We sat all day, and cried as we witnessed the pure fear shown on every man, woman, and child's face. We mourned for those who were lost, and we grew angry at those who had taken life.

We here in the dumb ole' USA tend to become very patriotic when our country is attacked. Pearl Harbor happened and thousands of men enlisted to go fight Hitler and the Japs. I can clearly remember the patriotism surrounding the first Gulf War, and that was a time when our country wasn't in danger. What happened on 9/11 was a defining moment in American history.

Bush didn't need to say one word, the men going on television screaming bloody murder and revenge said it all. Every time I turned on the news there would be 10 men or more saying "Let's go get those rat bastards who did this!!" Bush didn't call for this...it happened naturally.

And for the record, you claimed that the 9/11 commission completely disproved Bush's "theory" that Iraq had ties to Al-Queda in the planning of 9/11...sorry, that's not what happened...Bush never ONCE claimed that Iraq was responsible for 9/11...he simply stated that Iraq had ties w/ Al-Queda..and even the precious 9/11 report confirms these findings...It's just that the Liberal media likes to twist words...

And you know what, people die in war...people were dying in our military long before 9/11 happened. Clinton sent lots of our boys to their deaths...it's called life in the military. If people don't want to die for their country, they shouldn't have joined up. Not one recruiter EVER said "hey you'll have lots of fun and NEVER go to war!" It's a shame that people have to die in war, and I am incredibly thankful to those who have volunteered to die for my freedom. But they are dying to keep that war from coming onto our soil again.

I don't quite understand this sentence:

You know it and I know it if the military when it there with a free rain to do what it took in the first place, those soldiers would have done their business and be home. You tell me I’m wrong there!

Are you insinuating that if the politicians had just let the military go in and "finish the job" that our soldiers would be home by now? Come on now...do a google search and find out how long we were in Germany and Japan after WWII cleaning up the mess...and exactly what do you think the military should have done to "do what it took in the first place"?? Drop a nuke? Do you honestly believe that our military has done a terrible job? My GOSH they're concerned about civilian welfare and don't shoot everything that moves!! How horrible!! It's a no-win situation..if we had gone in and kicked butt and asked questions later..the world would have screamed murder!! But we go in and try to keep civilian casualties and structure desolation to a minimum and we're told we're not doing a good enough of a job!!

Before you criticize Bush one more time..please answer this for me:

Do you think the world would have been better off w/ Saddam in power?

[Winnie G]

Bush did not "use 9/11" to stir up patriotic fervor.

Oh come on you can’t say over 75% of the world sees it and some how the states dose not.

Yes I am an American and a Daughter of the American Revolution,

I am proud of my country the real country I grow up in, one were believing in God was not just something politicians drag out every four years and parade around to gain votes.

It happens here to don’t get me wrong; I think the whole thing is wrong.

Am angry that the country of my birth is seen as the global bully.

When hearing others from around the world use the words, argent and bully are used.

It hurts because I see the behavior around me.

Case in point. Americans on Vacation are known for being rude in restaurants, stores and love to tell you how “its done were I come from” I worked in the public sector and I just cringe.

It’s Embarrassing!

Some on this board have called me a self-hating American.

Not so I was just and hurt and agry as my fellow Americans on 911.

Some here think I have no stake in this war, I do family and a government that as soon as they can the men and women I live with and work with daily will be pulled in to the war.

Canada would be in it right now if 1 we had the man power right now and 2 Canada’s out going Prim Minster had a bad work relationship with Bush Sir and Bush Jr, fallowed in his fathers argent fathers foot steps.

Yes I see Bush as a big mouths argent typical cowboy.

I was raised in a America that used manners you said yes sir and yes mam. You went to church with your families, you never said boo to your teachers.

Half the crap that goes on now would have never been thought of in my America.

My father fought in three wars and died and was laid to rest with full honors, my brother served one true after another till the Vietnam war was over. He suffers from Post traumatic stress and lives in the mountain of California near Yosemite.

The only way to win this war is, and I’m sorry to say this it is by going in kicking butt and leaving the enemy so scared to ever go after the USA again. Its not like we have not pushed the enemy’s back in to their hole before.

But the time has passed to “Let's go get those rat bastards who did this”!

I don’t know if some of you remember in 1980 when Reagan took the vote in a landslide it happen in the middle of the Iran hostage crises. When the news broke that Reagan won the election you could not see Iran give up those hostages fast enough.

Why? think about it? America was known for kicking butt, don’t mess with us.

Nations knew not to mess with the States.

We as a country have lost that stasis,

I think it is true that as a county we have turned away from God in our daily lives in our laws and policy’s for the sack of being politely correct and have lost the right to be a grate nation.

Yes

the world would have screamed murder!!

But their doing it now, at lest it would have been done and over with, their are enough American's who remeber Pearl Harbor.

The Horror of the Bomb had a ever last memory. Not that I can say use that, we would not have too.

Reagan was known for saying Dont tred on me.

Bush is to busy chocking on snack food and reading up side down books and tieing the hands of the milatry to win another 4 years.

[sgallan]

Back to the original question of the thread.....

I am still on the fence with regards to President. I'll tend to lean Kerry because most Republicans just seem so cold hearted, and are the anthesis of many of my values. On the other hand a lot of Democrats are stupid and naive, and haven't quite realized their era has passed by. In any event I'll take that good hearted and dumb over cold hearted and mean anyday.

Still, I do think Bush's priorities are good, which is why I will wait until November - to see how things play out - before I actually choose. Waiting this long will also give me a better feel for how Kerry reacts to the give and take of a Presidential campaign. An example of Bush knowing his role as President, and historically is the calss way he honored the Clinton's portrait unveiling. Though everything is political in some way he also understood the nature of, and the enormous responsibility of, the offic of POTUS. Something only another President could relate to.

One more thing...... I am in a cool position. I am truly on the fence in a swing state (Arizona). Far more so than in most years my vote counts. Neither candidate can overplay to their base and expect to get my vote. I like it even more because it annoys the partisans of either side. LOL..... it just kills the partisans of either side that people like me get to choose who is President. They don't get it, with the refrain of "why can't they just see the reality". They think we are naive and misinformed. Get over it. I have been following the process before most of these naysayers were born. I am also reasonably knowledgable about Government and history. And though I said I wouldn't get sucked in this time around..... I did. I always do. Since 1972 (WAY before I could vote) until now. I look forward to needling the partisans. ;-)

[Kay]

LOL..... it just kills the partisans of either side that people like me get to choose who is President.

Well, sg, if it's "people like [you]" who choose the President, so laughingly, no wonder many tout we're in this dark state of affairs.

LOL backatcha, sport.

Not.

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by TheProudDuck@Jun 17 2004, 07:09 PM

I think Al Gore's conduct after losing Florida will go down in history as the most unpatriotic and divisive conduct by any losing presidential candidate since John C. Breckinridge in 1860.

I agree, and I don't even like Bush!

[shanstress70]

Originally posted by Winnie G@Jun 18 2004, 12:45 AM

National gun registration.

You can own a gun but it must be Registered and only special permit for hand guns and they have to be locked up at shooting clubs never to leave that club in less it is for work Cops and so on.

And this is a good thing... how?

I bet if the cr## hit the fan, you'd be knocking on the door of one of your 'bad ole' gun-owning American friends!

[Guest TheProudDuck]

Winnie,

Oh come on you can’t say over 75% of the world sees it and some how the states dose not.

And in my considered opinion, that "75% of the world" is wrong, having been misled by stereotyped thinking, a left-leaning global press, and the natural tendency of people to resent the top dog.

You're Mormon. The vast majority of the Christian world thinks your beliefs are heresy. Yet you hold onto your beliefs in spite of majority opinion, because you firmly believe you're right.