roman

Hey Dr. T I really want to see if Letsjam will come back and try and defend his position before I answer you------------------------------so lets give Letsjam another day or two Then I will post an answer if he or she doesn't------OKAY?

To make your list ligitimite-------what was the name of the church of the first century? what name did Paul call the church---or Peter or James or any other NT writer? Better yet since Jesus founded the chruch---what did he call it

Lindy i like this last post of your better I'm sorry if I misunderstood you at the start----it just that you came across as someone who refused to have a fear of God at all----AND it seemed to me that by the way you stated your post---that your comment was just plain silly So Sorry for that----we are on the same belief and understanding now roman

Lindy------what I'm trying to say to you is this-----I don't believe that you understand what it means Biblically------to fear God. I agree with PC is more than respect its deeper. The Bible plainly teaches us that we can always come to God---no matter what----with out fear of retabution--on any matter of life, with any situation or with any sin. because God is about love grace and mercy. Surly the Biblical authors new all of this---but when they got in the real prescence of God---they quaked with fear---some fell as dead men----most fell upon their faces---Its something about a fear of dissapointment or a fear of being in the prescence of perfection and complete holliness that brings a natural fear for God out of us. If you think you could stand in Gods prescence as you stand with and old friend----then you don't know the fear of God I have a fear of dissapointing my wife or children---but I'm not afraid of them----I have a fear of dissapointing God---but I'm not afraid to approach him.

The purpose of life is... . I would rather have a peaceful and joyful spirit than to live in fear of God as a basis for the purpose of life. In keeping His commandments, I don't want to interupt this thread but i must speak out when such silliness prevails someones thinking. To fear God..... is not to be afraid or scared of him. Its to have a healthy respect for him. Remember the beginning of wisdom is---to fear God.

To learn who God is--------then to fellowship with him. Then to bring glory and honor to him. And then to share him.

I was taught the swearing is a form of expression--------Its a carnal undisiplined mind trying to express itself

So once again it takes a BAC to set you all straight----------------GO Dallas Stars LoL

Same old Roman - same old refrain. It's always Snow, snow, snow or someone else, it's not about you, its about the other guy. You only mentioned that you were not innocent AFTER making a big deal about me and then me mention that a sincerity would direct one to first apologize for their own behavior before looking at others. And here you are doing it again - telling me that I should take account of myself - as if I am the one who goes on to other faith's message boards and denigrates their beliefs snow---see your obviously not reading what I'm posting---because your wrong---I said in my first post on this that I did ask for my forgiveness. So you see its is about me--some but mostly about you. And there you go again with false accusations. I have repeatedly said in this forum that I am obnoxious and hot-headed and sometimes mean spirited, but not dishonest, also often wrong or sometimes wrong. You are the one that is saying otherwise. Then you complain when I say you are wrong. It never ends with you. snow--so you think you can be like that as you discribe yourself and no one is harmed? You think you can be like that--as you describe yourself---and there be no consequences? You think you can claim not to be dishonest--when I could say different. But in reality who cares what you persceve as what the truth of the matter is------the truth is your style. Hardly even addressing the topic and going after the poster---avoiding all contact with the subject matter. Well you know where I stand. The resecc bell rang 20 years ago and I left the first grade play ground----as you don't hear what is being said to you---you never heard the school beel and hence you are still on the playground---playing first grade tricks. You and you alone are the reason this board is almost dead--a mear faction of what it once was. I have tried to get others here inclusing lds from other sites and they won't come because of you. I have no way of proving that, but I do get along with alot of other lds and exchange ideas all the time---but you are the only one with something up where the sun don't shine---I remember you being banned in past time for your hatefull posting-----well nuff said

Oh pleeeasse, You're really laying it on thick now and by the way, I know that you aren't serious. If you were sincere, you would first say that you apologize for your anti-Mormon bigotry, for your character slander, for your name calling and constant disception AND at the same time, you forgive anyone (me) who has traspassed against you. Rather than asking God to work a change in someone else's heart, why not look within and pray that he make you a more honorable and honest poster? ... I've run across sincere posters before and they always start with making ammends for their own behavior before condescendingly putting it on the other person. Give me a jingle when you're sincere. snow; see this is what is a matter with you----you openly deny what I say-------I said [see above]---i said I ask for my forgiveness and also said that I was not innocent. But you deny the obvious; to make your point.---so I did look within first-----------what I asked forgivenss for is my buisness, but since I didn't make a laundry list for you---you reject all. I person who thinks they have no sin---is in the worst of all spots--------best take account of yourself

This is exactly why I'm praying for you-----that God enlighten you. Because you have no idea of what you project in your posting. The messages I get from others on this board about you and against you[some lds] are proof of that to me, and no I will never share them with you. I forgive you of your anger and milicious character assasinations that you sling out . I am not harmed by them nor do I feel like any kind of victim------but others are hurt and have said so--even on this thread---and you missed that too I already ask God for my forgiveness---I did not ask for yours because ---at least right now you won't give it. I pray Gods blessing upon you, snow and hope you give things at least a minute of reflextion---and no I'm not innocent---and neither are you-------

snow; I forgive you. I pray for you. I pray that the Spirit of God will enlighten you and bring you understanding. That he will strength you and bring you into all widom and knowledge of the one who died for you. That you will know the depth of his love towards you. That you can really know God and the one whom he sent. That God would open his word to you and show you the reality, power, revalation, and grace that is avaible to you. That you will be blessed in all you do---that you will overcome and that one day you will here the words of the Master----"well done thou good and faithful servant. Enter into my rest. In all sencerity; roman

As to the redundant thing----I know what it means and I used it correctly. when you add up your post over time---it fits perfectly. ------Just your style of dodging the topic nothing more---nothing less Now is your chance to sound intelligent. How was my one, single sentence question of Christos redundant as you have now twice claimed? snow---your lying again or still hard to tell the difference---I said---put your history of post together and it makes the statement redundant. so you see I never said one statement. I was just your rush to judgement that it went over your head Remember how you once claimed that you could prove absolutely that Christ had resurrected? And how you proof was that the Bible mentioned witnesses to the resurrected Christ. snow---I think--no I know that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit proves the point of Christ ressurection. Besides the resurection of Jesus is a given any more any way. Many Many secular historians even agree with that thought. sorry your believe that when scripture says that over 500-600 people saw Christ after his ressurection---that you think they were all lying--sorry can't help your unbelief Folks are still laughing at that one too.------- snow-Name the people who are still laughing---no you can't but I know a few who giggle at you----and you call yourself a big boy--like I say you don't know how rediculeous you appear ---nor do I really care what you think---your exposing yourself again or still--hard to tell Are we having fun yet?

I see you are having a problem with the quote feature. Let me guide you son. Click the quote button, click the rely button and PRESTO, you have quotes. We in the LDS Church study this in Sunday School so we don't massacre it like you. Here's the problem, redundant means needlessly repetitive. For example, if you believe that the Creeds are biblical, then they are redundant. I don't believe they are redundant, however Christo thinks we ought to believe in them - but if Christo believes the Creeds are necessary, then he believes that the bible is not sufficient. Now little one, I just tested this post by having my cat read it. The cat understood it perfectly so you should be able to also, however I am not hopeful. Granted my cat is a smart cat and you're Roman and you think that one of the proofs that Moses crossed the Red Sea is that pharoh drowned in the water so it must have been deep. My cat thinks that is idiotic. snow; your talking apples and I'm talking oranges----I made the topic oranges and yes you missed my point. My point is not what anyone else thinks or has posted. As I said my point was your interpertation of things is so far from normal thought that you ought not be saying anything against someone else. That is the point--------Please read slow so you will get it----your missing it! As to the redundant thing----I know what it means and I used it correctly. when you add up your post over time---it fits perfectly. ------Just your style of dodging the topic nothing more---nothing less BTW----explain how horses and men drown in a shallow marsh as you say----never mind . Your having trouble with just one thought --let alone another

Oh my son Roman, You have the thinking skills of a small but tasty crustacean. 1. You have used the word redundant incorrectly. 2. The issue is not whether I believe the Bible is sufficient but whether Christos believes it. snow; your insults are getting a little more creative---but still inaffective I used the word redundant just exactly like I wanted to and made the issue excatly as I wanted to---sorry it was over your head and you missed it I think its ironic that someone who puts the kind of twist on scriptures as you do will instruct others on scripture and its application and interpertation------thats all 3. http://www.bibletexts.com/terms/redsea.htm

Especially the part: Yes we will agree as long as we use the word catholic as the frames of the creed intended for it to be use---------universal and not as lds want it to be used as in the catholic church quote] Because of the fall Adan (man) was cast out of the Garden of G-d and can only come unto the Father by the Messiah, who is the mediator, between man and G-d the Father. Using the "Creed" please demonstrate a single instance in the Old Testament of the necessary mediator for anything between man and G-d. The scriptures are clear that there was no mediator between man and God in OT times-----so what is your point? The scriptures are also clear that before Christ, the gentiles were without hope or promise and outside of Godsredemtion. Even though-----in OT times we see types of mediators---Moses and Abraham come to mind. And people did come to God and have relationships with him in OT times dispite your claims-----if not explain Job--Noah---Elijah--and many more

Why? Isn't believing the bible sufficient? This is a rather redundant question . Especially coming from a person who has their own personal interpertation and belief in scripture. The creed is much closer in application to scripture than anything snow can ever come up with. In fact much of snows beliefs are against scripture. Example-----Jews didn't cross the Red Sea, but a marsh or swamp. So how did the army of pharoh drown in such small amount of water? No I will take the creed over any lds interpertation anyday

well no kidding---Just wanted to see how far you would go

They were the ones who had been beaten and whose homes had been burned, and their farms stolen by the other "Christians." That is after the fact--responce-snow. If I was in that area at that time and came accross a person--out on the range so to speak--how could I tell he was mormon---without speaking to him or even knowing anything about him---just by looking, as you have said you sure it wasn't the shoes or boots

In those days how could you tell a person was mormon---soly by sight. what in a persons appearance ditermined they were mormon? just curious

In all fun and tongue in cheek---I may be one of the best mormons---cause I'm a NON-mormon Not an anti. I got to may ties to mormons for that

For my $.02 worth there is this question------On what matter, topic, or subject does the the Bible fail? Can it be trusted to bring comfort, understanding of God, healing to hurts. Can it be insperational or motivational? What topics does it lead you astry on? When a person can positivly answer these questions----then they may have a legitimate stance on the unreliability of the Bible and not wanting to trust it

I believe the Bible to be fully inspired--or God-breathed. I also believe it to be true and trustwothry. That is why i can rely on it as authoritive on the revalation of God and his will for mankind. Are there parts i stuggle with---yes. But that is probably because I don't fully understand it all and am still learning. I also believe that in order to fully apply the truth of scripture one must know God and trust him that he won't lead you astry on such things----in fact I believe that is his promise that if we do trust him he will lead us throught the darkest of nights and bring our understanding to light---and that in turn will bring light to certain troublesome passages of scripture. Is everything written of God in the Bible---no but thats not the point----God is still using--say like the 3 friends of Job and their false or work advice--God uses that to make a point. If you are saying that their are passages of scripture that never orginated from God and are soly the work of man----well thats a different story---one that now and today---I don't agree with-----today i say every word is --God breathed----its my understanding that is lacking--but improving and growing

I always have trouble believing a person is sincere about a topic that contains faith when they say---------------------"I know God can do anything and reveal anythingBUT I choose not to believe it the way its revealed----cause of this or that reason." That is unbelief and not trusting God. It basically stems from a misunderstanding of scripture and who God is.

It seems to me that there is a great lack of trust or a great amount of unbelief in God to reveal his will in written form to men------that is hard to over come and to bring some into a relative discussion on scripture and what really is the truth as God defines it.