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And that should clear things up for members who find themselves confused on such matters. If the church is against it.......then it stands to reason that the Lord is against it....hence we should also be against it. For those of us who may struggle in the grey areas...thankfully we have a living Prophet and the restored church of Jesus Christ to lead us toward the truth and light.

From the Ensign: First, it should be emphasized that this is a hypothetical situation presented to the Lord by the Sadducees, who, as the scripture itself asserts, did not even believe in the resurrection. They were simply doing what both they and the Pharisees so often did—asking the Lord questions simply to bait him, to see if they could catch him contradicting what Moses, the great Lawgiver, had said. The question itself was based upon the teachings of Moses: “If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.” (Matt. 22:24; see also Deut. 25:5–10.) In the hypothetical case suggested by the Sadducees, in which seven brothers each had been married to a woman in turn, the question was, “In the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven?” According to Dummelow’s A Commentary on The Holy Bible, “The point raised by the Sadducees was often debated by the Jewish doctors, who decided that a ‘woman who married two husbands in this world is restored to the first in the next.’ ” (New York: The Macmillan Company, 1927, p. 698.) Most Jews at the time believed in a material resurrection, and so the question had some importance to them. (Ibid.) On the other hand, although the Sadducees didn’t believe in the resurrection, they were more than happy to use it to try to “bring Jesus into contempt and ridicule with the multitude by asking Him a question which they thought He could not answer.” (Ibid., p. 697.) But Jesus did answer them, and he began with a mild rebuke: “Ye do err,” he said, “not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” Consider the handicap the Sadducees had placed upon themselves. They did not really understand the scriptures—and probably had no wish to do so on this point. They were steeped in false doctrine, and without the gift of the Holy Ghost had no access to the revelatory power of the Spirit. The Savior’s answer, therefore, was not a full doctrinal explanation of the doctrine of eternal marriage. Instead, he quickly defused their argument and then testified of the resurrection using the scriptures that the Sadducees held most sacred. The Savior effectively dismissed their question on marriage by stating that “in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.” In that way, the Savior turned to the more fundamental issue of the Sadducee’s disbelief in resurrection. Of the resurrection, the Savior bore certain testimony:

We also believe the written word of God to be inspired....but not limited to the Bible. We believe that God still comunicates with his children. We have a living Prophet on the earth today and have since Joseph Smith opened the last and final gospel dispensation.

There have been some good threads on this topic if you do a search.....here is a link with a pretty good explanantion. http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Brochures/EternalMarriage.pdf

The same fashion in that..... we believe that he is the only begotten son of God and drank from the Father's bitter cup and at Gethsemenee and at Golgotha paid the price for the sins of mankind on conditions of repentance. Because Joseph Smith saw God the Father and Jesus Christ, we have a better understanding of the Godhead. Namely that the Godhead consists of God the Father.....an exalted personage of flesh and bone....Jesus Christ, the only begotten son.....an exalted personage of flesh and bone and the Holy Ghost..... an exalted personage of Spirit and they are one God.......one in purpose......not one in substance.

I think you can attend church, have food storage, be an Eagle Scout, graduate from Seminary......but have your heart in the wrong place.....as you seem to...IMHO. As for lefty politics...everyone knows that is purely from the devil

The following is a list of useful abortion statistics as well as some facts on abortifacients. All abortion numbers are derived from pro-abortion sources courtesy of The Alan Guttmacher Institute and Planned Parenthood's Family Planning Perspectives. Click here for the Guttmacher Institute's latest fact sheet on abortion. WORLDWIDE Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000 Where abortions occur: 83% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 17% occur in developed countries. © Copyright 1996-2008, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (Guttmacher Institute: Home Page) UNITED STATES Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996) Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700 Who's having abortions (age)? 52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%. Who's having abortions (race)? While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely. Who's having abortions (marital status)? 64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%. Who's having abortions (religion)? Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical". Who's having abortions (income)? Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%. Why women have abortions 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). At what gestational ages are abortions performed: 52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy. Likelihood of abortion: An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion. Abortion coverage: 48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women

Peter....you don't sound LDS. Your posts seem very far left...and way out of touch with the teachings of the church. Are you really a member of the church....just curious?

If we're gonna play the statistic game, I would like to know the source of your claim that only 7% of abortions are related to rape, incest, or risk of harm. Wikipedia provides statistics as well and states that, "In 2006, Planned Parenthood provided 289,750 surgical and medical abortions, about 3% of its total services." Abortions accounted for only 3% of Planned Parenthood's international services related to sexual health. I find it hard to condemn a medical institution that receives 1/3 of its funding in government grants on the basis of 3% of its work. Bytor, are those scripture references your way of saying, "you're either with us or against us?" Right, Margaret...it's very late. Wow only 289,750 abortions. My stats were a bit skewed. Actually it's only 1% of abortions are the result of rape or incest and 6% due to the health of the mother. Source" Planned Parenthood. See Below. Did you really say that abortions accounted for ONLY...? Only? The scripture quotes have nothing to do with Bush??? But everything to do with making sure that we are not judging that which is evil to be good. I wouldn't lend someone money to get an abortion, unless it was for rape, incest or health....would you? I notice you didn't respond to the idea that you could fund this organization with your own private donations? The following is a list of useful abortion statistics as well as some facts on abortifacients. All abortion numbers are derived from pro-abortion sources courtesy of The Alan Guttmacher Institute and Planned Parenthood's Family Planning Perspectives. Click here for the Guttmacher Institute's latest fact sheet on abortion. WORLDWIDE Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000 Where abortions occur: 83% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 17% occur in developed countries. © Copyright 1996-2008, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (Guttmacher Institute: Home Page) UNITED STATES Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996) Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700 Who's having abortions (age)? 52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%. Who's having abortions (race)? While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely. Who's having abortions (marital status)? 64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%. Who's having abortions (religion)? Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical". Who's having abortions (income)? Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%. Why women have abortions 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). At what gestational ages are abortions performed: 52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy. Likelihood of abortion: An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion. Abortion coverage: 48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women

Why not just offer the other services then? This organization is evil......don't be decieved. They do not serve the good of humanity and I dare say I would not want to know that I derived my income from this place. Pure evil. In the eternal scheme...do they do good?

I am guessing you are not LDS.....?

It's about standards. Following the council of the Prophet .....if that's Kool-Aid...poor me up a big glass. It isn't about the shirt...it's about reverence.....making sure that we are not taking for granted the sacredness.....

Below are some Sanger quotes. If "we" means me, then no...we shouldn't. If "we" means you...then go ahead..... with your own charitable donations. The majority of women who get abortions do so to avoid the consequences of a poor decision. Less than 7% of all abortions are performed as a result of rape, incest or the health of the mother. Planned Parenthood makes millions of dollars a year in profit. I don't want to help increase there bottom line. If you do...fine....but many do not wish to support this organization with tax dollars. And from a scriptural standpoint...again my opinion: From Moroni Ch. 7 11 For behold, a bitter afountain cannot bring forth good water; neither can a good fountain bring forth bitter water; wherefore, a man being a servant of the devil cannot follow Christ; and if he follow Christ he cannot be a servant of the devil. 12 Wherefore, all things which are good cometh of God; and that which is evil cometh of the devil; for the devil is an enemy unto God, and fighteth against him continually, and inviteth and enticeth to sin, and to do that which is evil continually. 13 But behold, that which is of God inviteth and enticeth to do good continually; wherefore, every thing which inviteth and enticeth to do good, and to love God, and to serve him, is inspired of God. 14 Wherefore, take heed, my beloved brethren, that ye do not judge that which is evil to be of God, or that which is good and of God to be of the devil. From Margaret Sanger: Organized charity itself is the symptom of a malignant social disease. Those vast, complex, interrelated organizations aiming to control and to diminish the spread of misery and destitution and all the menacing evils that spring out of this sinisterly fertile soil, are the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents.10 In another passage, she decries the burden of “human waste” on society: It [charity] encourages the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant [emphasis added].11 She concluded, The most serious charge that can be brought against modern “benevolence” is that it encourages the perpetuation of defectives, delinquents and dependents. These are the most dangerous elements in the world community, the most devastating curse on human progress and expression.12 The Review printed an excerpt of an address Sanger gave in 1926. In it she said: It now remains for the U.S. government to set a sensible example to the world by offering a bonus or yearly pension to all obviously unfit parents who allow themselves to be sterilized by harmless and scientific means. In this way the moron and the diseased would have no posterity to inherit their unhappy condition. The number of the feeble-minded would decrease and a heavy burden would be lifted from the shoulders of the fit.

Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortion in the United States and I don't want to give my tax dollars to them in America or abroad. Have you ever read any of the dispicable quotes from Mary Sanger. the founder of Planned Parenthood? I can't imagine any LDS would want to help this disgusting organization....can you? Or any other Christian for that matter.

Bytor arrives in a Nissan Maxima and Bytor's wife makes the scene in a Ford Expedition.

Wingnut....the country is going to you know where in a handbasket and has been for a while......Obama is just a new driver heading us in the same direction. The OP is really about abortion and not so-much Obama....except for his views regarding the issue. As a LDS and as an American I am ashamed of abortion and really don't want my tax dollars used to support it...do you? Would you give a friend money to get an abortion? I am betting that you wouldn't. Then why should we support it being done through the government(and I am not saying that you do support it)? I must say....I wish the argument was over right and wrong and not right and left. As for the election I have moved on as well.......until the next campaign season begins in a couple of years. Ugghhh.

Hmm......I don't think my wife and I had a "song".....but there are definitely songs that I hear that make me remember fondly the summer that we met.

I think you nailed it Wingnut........I also think it is why there are so many in the world that just don't care about anything...but themselves. But how well does Heavenly Father know his children...hence Three degrees of glory. He obviously knew that some were leaving....never to return.

Past Apostles and Prophets have spoken regarding the less valiant of the pre-existence. People born in different places and different times in not so favorable circumstances could be attributed to how valiant one was in the pre-existence and I am of the opinion that there were many who were fence sitters......lots of people who just don't care.

Erik.....your so arrogant and condescending. Your posts are not meant to discuss, but rather to accuse or attempt to belittle beliefs that others see as sacred and you sound like a know it all.....and Brother, reading your posts.....you don't even understand the part you think you know. You really ought to learn some manners. Were you excommunicated.....is that why your sound so bitter when you post about the church? What's the point? Just to insult? The Bible isn't infallible and we believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

Yes it is true....Priesthood Authority. The RCC is the same as LDS isn't it? I have no problem with the baptism issue...but I do have an issue with not being referred to as a Christian....wouldn't you?

At Mars Hill or other "Christian" orthodox churches....who has the authority to baptize. Your pastor? Members? We allow as LDS that other faiths are Christian, perhaps in a spirit of respect you could allow that we are indeed Christian and strive to live Christian lives, imperfect though we may be......we have doctrinal differences for sure.

Don't cringe......some of us drink full flavored Coca Cola and where colored shirts and prefer the piano over the organ. I am guessing that Hemi means a Christ like culture...one of love, respect and reverence of the sacred...one without the profane or pervasive hatred that plagues humanity in this fallen sphere.

Does that include LDS as well....those baptized at 8?

Man......I am so flippin happy that we can be forgiven. :):)