Lindy

If that was Setheus, let's hope he's doing well. I'm not going to say if it was, or if it wasn't right nowAll I know is that he still needs extra prayers.....my words not his....and I just want to say Thank You for those who posted, and got ahold of me in pm's and on IM for showing him that he has support from this board family. I love you guys

I heard from him last night He says he's ok...pretty heavily sedated though When I hear anything else...I'll post Thanks for the prayers I know he will appreciate them all oh, and *Eros is in the same hospital..... don't forget prayers for him too! Thanks Outshined for checking on that for me!

Setheus has been hurt Please say a prayer for his recovery.

Get real. I AM real I lived thru the same kind of feelings that WriterChick and Idacat tried explaining. Are you telling me that MY feelings and experiences AREN'T real? *Then I take a deep breath and calm down, realizing that sometimes it's hard for a man to walk a mile in the shoes of a single mom and see things thru her eyes.* Maybe I understood what WriterChick was saying because I have spent so much time with the young people.....not necessarily just in church..... and I understand what was meant by "entire" . I think you took it as ENTIRE litterally. I'm not in for a tit for tat on her thread with you, I just wanted to try to help you realize that sometimes....things happen exactly as they are told. Sometimes....not all the time SOME....I'm thinking that you have a problem with that 4 letter word.

Dis~ Thanks to Fox News, The Washington Post and talk radio !!Ill stick to being part of the "self-righteous blowhards" society thank you very much

Thank you! We tried very hard to bring some entertainment to you :)....you should have seen it before editing.....it was a hoot! No seriously...it's been fun

Maybe if everybody or most everybody else responds to ya'll in a certain way, maybe it's not them (the whole Church can't be jerks) so maybe it's something bout ya'll. Writer Chick~ It has nothing to do with "yall" believe me! You and your family have done nothing wrong to warrrent the behavior and attitude shown towards you. There are some really good wards in the church and there are some really bad ones. This type of problem isn't isolated to just one certain area....unfortunatly it happens to different people in different areas. A woman, who was doing research on the treatment of divorced/single parents within the church, got ahold of me awhile back to let me know that I wasn't to blame myself for the inconsiderate behavior shown to me from church members. That I had done nothing wrong. It's just an attitude that some church members get...... that they are better than others because "they" have the perfect little mormon life and "you " don't. I continued going to church for a long time by myself, because I wasn't going to give up what I believed in because of a handful of yaahoos. The guys have very good points "rise above this level of ignorance", continue to show them " YOUR standards" and perhaps finding a different ward/branch is an option after contacting the bishop or other leaders and asking what the underlying problem is. (well....you KNOW what it is) I think you need to exhaust all avenues within your ward before giving up on it. Idacat...you know how it feels ....and you didn't let it ruin your faith....some single moms aren't as strong, and you should be commended SF...thoughtful as always...... Guys.....good answers! Snow..."maybe it's something bout ya'll." You should be smacked up alongside the head for that post.

Lindy: sting bikini? OMG I'm so not string bikini lol Lindy: LOL Lindy: that is so funny :) (The bowling was fun though) WITH CLOTHES ON!

Why me I wanted to know.... Setheus: well the other times I was playing around. Lindy: ok.... Setheus: you're a great women Setheus: u seem honest and caring and easy going and willing to learn and grow Lindy: I think that is the first time you said it lke that Setheus: keep talking it was sweet stuff Lindy: how you make me a better person? Setheus: yes Lindy: I told you I went back to church ....which isn't even my ward....(because of you) Setheus: which PM last year? still the angel one with wings? Lindy: yes, the angel one with wings Ohhhh...and my favorite... Setheus: right now I am eating a very large beatle! LOL mmm mmm Thai food at its finest What would I want with any of the other posters? I have a SEAL to tame down.

Of course I WOULDN'T judge by those words Shawn. Your ability to string together certain words in a certain order tells nothing about the sincerity of your heart, your integrity and your service to Christ by being in the service of your fellow man. Good post Snow....

Jason~ Interesting read, but a little too much for me right now... All I can do iwish you good luck in what you are looking for. We all have to be happy with what we find as truth in our lives.

I just find that very disturbing Jason.... you have always been an icon of faith.

Jason~You just made me cry

Is this part of the E Orthodox religion? Because of the timeline the NT was written in?Jason..... I am really concerned that you are being led farther and farther away from the truth as you knew it. As for the concept of a "sacred text" or "rituals" those are things that can destroy you from the inside if you let it. It's sounding like there is a darker force working on you for some reason....throwing doubts and confusion to cloud the confidence and strong faith you had.

Jason~If we based our lives on "what ifs" I would think it would nearly drive us all insane. We could analyze and scrutinize everything looking for another angle. Sometimes I think we just have to rely on what we believe is true for us as individuals, and even then it seems that there are times that we have to hold on to that belief by the tips of our fingernails, knowing that we mustn't let go completely. I don't put my trust in mankind either.... I do however, put my trust in certain individuals, as I put my trust in God. I really don't think that ANY human being is going to know all the answers, no matter how hard they search. Quest or no quest....God will reveal in His own time to those who seek the truth. I just learned to change the "what ifs" to "so whats" (most of the time ) and stopped trying to fight myself to try to find the logic, or analyze every little thing that bothered me. ---------------- Jenda I' sorry to hear your feelings have changed so drastically, hope things come together for you soon. BG2~ Thanks for agreeing with me..... Setheus~ Just be safe

I am sorry that I didn't consider men using children to do their dirty work... and am appalled at the fear tactics they would use on a child. I am speechless at the moment, my theory shredded....OK? Please refer to my last sentence....people who have to make choices based on the circumstances. Choices they may not want to make, but their job requires it of them. Ok....I've said my peace.. I'll just be quiet now.

Setheus~Sorry, but I just couldn't leave this one alone.... I see the pain...and can't walk away from it. (I know it's off topic, but this has been nagging at me to say something....and when I get that feeling... I have to act.) Wars have been fought through out history, battles for different reasons, or for the same ideals and goals. Each soldier who goes into battle or conflict knows there is a possibility of killing someone or being killed by someone else. God has reasons only He knows of when it comes to war, and the killings in war. Reasons that we, as mortals, may never know. Have you ever thought of it this way.....you may have have disposed of someone who would have hurt or killed a hundred innocent people...without him batting an eyelash. I think more of you because it does bother you. ... means you are human. I have tremendous respect for those who have high pressure jobs such as the military, the medical profession, law enforcement, firefighters....etc.... people who have to make choices based on the circumstances. Choices they may not want to make, but their job requires it of them.

I like that! Funny, but to the point

Have fun Winnie, and have a safe trip! :)

Any of the stuff that we, who hang out on the internet, come across... JS and his magic world view, the Adam-God view as possibly taught by BY, the Kinderhook plates, The BoM and DNA, BOM anachornism... all of the stuff we talk about... anything but the clean and tidy viewpoint we learn in Sunday School. If you let the antiMormon crazies define and distort what it all means then one can go tweaky. If you investigate it thoroughly, not letting other's do your homework for you and keep your head about you, then it's not a problem and in fact can be faith promoting or at least faith maturing. WOW Snow....that was deep, and I quite liked your post. I don't think that truer words could have been said. My two cents...Faith is a very personal thing....and if you leave it up to someone else to tell you how or what you feel....you could be in trouble. I walk to my own tune....and hey... my faith is still here! Maybe not clean and tidy (good Sunday School verbage) but nothing will sway how I feel, or what I think.

Thanks LT for looking into it for me ....your a peach

I wouldn't say that M.....I just hated to get rid of some pm's that were near and dear....I've held on to a lot over the years.... it was like losing touch with friends.

I thought I would just put up a small reminder for those who don't check the empty/full ratio status of their pm inbox. I hate to delete the pm's I have to make room for new incoming......it saddens the heart but it has to be done. And yes, I have tried archiving!

perhaps the posting was made by your twin brother Sean?.... Oh....how quickly they rise and BOOM....right back to the bottom again!

OK Shawn....you have just risen a few notches in my book..... Good choice of words :) Just thought you should know that! B)