JohnnyRudick

Right on:cool:

Actually Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin continued the evil that Hitler was involved in. Killing millions more yet he is never brought up as the boogeyman that Hitler was.

As far as I can tell it does not have to. I blame no person of Jewish or Benjamenian (msp?) ancestry for the crucifixion. Most of the time when leaders have power they tend to corrupt that power. The people they rule get the leaders they deserve I believe but still I hold no Jew accountable for something that their ancestors did 2000 years ago ir 70 years ago for that matter,

Now ain't that the truth:p Yup^_^

Where is that laugh button when you need it?

I tend to agree with you on that even though our wording my be slightly different but in the end it works out the same. I just do not believe that H evenly parents present plans to their children until they believe they are ready to act on those plans. That is all I have been trying to say here.

This life (as I understands it) is partly to serve as a Schoolmaster for the next step in our progression. Raising children and learning about raising children as we gather information through trial and error over the millinneia is part of that experience I have been led to believe. But I am not trough learning yet:rolleyes: Let me get this right. God took away a child's agency until he/she is eight years old because they are not as bright as when they were gathered as intelligences. Wait, He did not take away any agency as the agency is held in reserve by the parents until the child is 8? No the parent does not hold the agency of the child as the child does not have any to start with until the child is 8. I could take a few more stabs at it but I will let you pick the right one for me or you can try again to help me see the correct one of your authorship.:) Oh, by the way. I do believe with you that a child is not held accountable till around that age. Not that a child has no agency but that the child is not yet experienced in it's new environment to make a wise enough choice just that the newly organized intelligences have not enough experience in their new situation.

So what we learn here in our mortal parenting is to as we organize the intelligences under our House we organize them by allowing every move in any direction without any restrictions other then great advice and example. Those who make it to the point where they can understand our example then it is all the better for them. We learn here by our experience that guidence is not to make a path or even to lead the way on a path but to allow our young to blaze their own path where ever it may lead them. Got it. Or did I miss something?

Soooooooooooooooooooo, my children, if I do not remove certain choices from them because I do not believe at this time they are ready for those choices, then progression ceases to exist? Maybe progression does exist but in the path I allow at this time. Yes, even though I tell my 3 year old he cannot play in the street even to walk across to retrieve a ball . . . This does not stump growth but may even prolong it. Later when other thought patterns emerge to my view I will allow not even retrieve the ball from across the street but may even ride their bikes in the street. Does this pattern of thinking stretch back into the pre-existence? I think so:cool:

I agree. The vary nature of "change" demands there be some type of opposing force. Like "The desire and effort to empty my wallet without my consent." Now that's "change you can bereave in."

I hate to nit-pick since you are doing so well, but the idea of a being that does not progress sounds a lot like "Damnation" and an eventual deterioration of what ever progress he had achieved up to that point withering eventually away to next to nothing. Just a thought:cool:

Oh:mellow: OK. Sorry:huh: My Mistake:cool: I just did not wish to be numbered in that category that. . .

I do not wish to return to the old teaching that "African Blacks cannot hold the priest hood at this time." I am happy the exercise of priesthood by all worthy males and blessings of personal attendance in the Temple are now available to all worthy members of the Church.

I assume we had it all worked out:huh: I did not pay a whole lot of attention to it (like a lot of others) I just assumed the teachings were correct. I do remember quizzing the Bishop a lot when I first learned of it but as He and a few others answered my questions and my understanding of our pre-Earth life grew I let it slide. I was relieved but confused when the ban lifted I remember.

Not really:eek: Now understand. I am not promoting the teaching:o It is a far cry from -punishing blacks for something Adam did compared with starting an individual a little behind the mark for ending somewhere before the mark in the pre-Earth life. Now don't come stompin' me for the teachin' I received over 40 years ago now. OK?

Very seldom do I ever ask for something like this. Usually I will repost Jamie's stuff as she is soooooooooooo, smart;) and I like the stuff she posts much better then I could have written it:D It seems "great minds think alike":cool:

I really like ths and would like to keep it on my hard drive. I would also like to place it on my Facebook wall if you don't mind. Can I? Huh, can I:p

Me too:)

I do not see where they would have to have different doctrines. What would be wrong with prophets among the inhabitants rising up and informing the people of the mission of the Savior? Just extend the mission of the risen Christ to other lands as among the Nephites and the Lamanites etc. Angels could confirm with signs in the heavens. After the resurrection the Savior could visit the other worlds after visiting the people all over the Earth.

Throw a rock into the dark and if you hear a yelp, you know ya hit one:D

Just lookin' for reactions:) My point was a reaction to the claim that this chapter is a plain refutation of a pre- great Trib Rapture and I was only pointing out that [not to well either I must admit. I could have done better many years ago] there is a reading that does not make it so clear. Thanks for yours:cool: Any other ideas out there:o

Me too:D

I like all three episodes. A great story based on fact. To me all three make a good start for the rest of this movie. Yes, to me all three is the on-going of a single movie.:)

Ha, Haaaaaaaaa:lol: Good answer;) Thanks:cool:

I am sometimes guilty of using the Scripture too much, Well, Here I go again:cool: I think that this chapter rather backs up your case up to this point. Of which I agree with also. I will place 2 thess. Chap 2 here and make a few comments with a few added verses to try to back me up if I can. 2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, This is when He comes for us to take us "out of the way". 2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what The Priesthood withholdeth that he The Man of Sin. might be revealed in his time. 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: 1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. only he who now letteth will let, until he That lets (holds back) be taken out of the way. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That it was the evil who were removed? and that he is christ? Why do you think John wrote about "The Lords Christ"? Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 2 Thessalonians 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. 2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, 2 Thessalonians 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work. Looks to me like 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 supports a Pre-Great Trib Rapture of the Saints. OK now somebody help me out with this one, Huh?