JohnnyRudick

From what I gather having studied out this thing, they become the Saints duration the Trib who will (because of their lat conversion (or were born too late to make a choice) have been blessed with this opportunity, if "hold out till the end" to see Zion coming down out of the clouds to be on the earth from that time and forth for ever:rolleyes: I do not believe this is too far off the mark:cool:

Beautiful:) You say the quote was on "Page 15". Page 15 of what? This is kind of a personal post I know but I would like to copy this post to my Facebook wall. May I? Later:cool:

Exactly right:o Thanks for putting it much better then I ever could I believe:cool:

OK:huh: Thanks for that:cool:

Exactly^_^ That is why I headed those particular verses "The End". The end of the Terrestrial mode of this earth.

Strange:confused: I agree and believe all that you wrote in the above. It must be a matter of communication and perspective. I agree, there could not be a flood until Zion was lifted up and out. Then poor Noah and fam. was left to deal with the wikedness. Not sure what our problem is but I will leave it as "I agree with you." Thanks for your patience.

I understand this way, that the righteous be lifted up in order for the Lord to remove the wicked by harsh judgment from the earth. Zion is lifted up so that the remaining could be destroyed minus the family of Noah for the beginning of a righteous seed. At least better then that which had to be removed. Many here do not believe in a general flood by the way. I do.

Now it is me asking for references:huh: Zion was surrounded on every side by wickedness just as before the "New Heaven and New Earth will Zion be surrounded by wickedness:o It is my understanding that Zion was lifted up because as it was noted that many of the people were cursed by the sins of Cain to a blackness in their heart to where they could not accept the Gospel. There was a personal Rapture [for those who do not know or understand a person being "Translated"] of those who were in the general population who would accept the Gospel preached by angels but for the most part "they just needed killen'" In the Beginning MOS 7:11 And it came to pass that Enoch continued to call upon all the people, save it were the people of Canaan, to repent; MOS 7:12 And so great was the faith of Enoch that he led the people of God, and their enemies came to battle against them; and he spake the word of the Lord, and the earth trembled, and the mountains fled, even according to his command; and the rivers of water were turned out of their course; and the roar of the lions was heard out of the wilderness; and all nations feared greatly, so powerful was the word of Enoch, and so great was the power of the language which God had given him. MOS 7:13 There also came up a land out of the depth of the sea, and so great was the fear of the enemies of the people of God, that they fled and stood afar off and went upon the land which came up out of the depth of the sea. MOS 7:14 And the giant offspring of the land, also, stood afar off; and there went forth a beginning of cursings upon all people that fought against God; MOS 7:15 And from that time forth there were wars and bloodshed among them; but the Lord came and dwelt with his people, and they dwelt in righteousness. MOS 7:16 The fear of the Lord was upon all nations, so great was the glory of the Lord, which was upon his people. And the Lord blessed the land, and they were blessed upon the mountains, and upon the high places, and did flourish. MOS 7:17 And the Lord called his people ZION, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them. MOS 7:18 And Enoch continued his preaching in righteousness unto the people of God. And it came to pass in his days, that he built a city that was called the City of Holiness, even ZION. MOS 7:19 And it came to pass that Enoch talked with the Lord; and he said unto the Lord: Surely Zion shall dwell in safety forever. But the Lord said unto Enoch: Zion have I blessed, but the residue of the people have I cursed. MOS 7:20 And it came to pass that the Lord showed unto Enoch all the inhabitants of the earth; and he beheld, and lo, Zion, in process of time, was taken up into heaven. And the Lord said unto Enoch: Behold mine abode forever. MOS 7:21 And Enoch also beheld the residue of the people which were the sons of Adam; and they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam and the seed of the powers of heaven who also mixed with the seed of Cain. But the seed of Cain had no place among that of Adam for that seed was black and could find no place among them. MOS 7:22 And after that Zion was taken up into heaven, Enoch beheld, and lo, all the nations of the earth were before him; MOS 7:23 And there came generation upon generation; and Enoch was high and lifted up, even in the bosom of the Father, and of the Son of Man; and behold, the armies of Satan were upon all the face of the earth. MOS 7:24 And he saw angels descending out of heaven; and he heard a loud voice saying: Wo, wo be unto the inhabitants of the earth. MOS 7:25 And he beheld Satan; and he had a great chain in his hand, and it veiled the whole face of the earth with darkness; and he looked up and laughed, and his angels rejoiced. MOS 7:26 And Enoch beheld angels descending out of heaven, bearing testimony of the Father and Son; and the Holy Ghost fell on many, and they were caught up by the powers of heaven into Zion. ---------------------------------------------------- In the End Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

I love to see this put out there in these words. Thanks^_^

While I have never met a Christian who believes the Bible to be a member of the Godhead, I have met plenty who ascribe the "words" [John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.] of the bible in it's arrangement of the TR to be a representation of the Holy Ghost.

I believe we today live in a world where most children have a very hard time with the word "no". That includes many adults as well. We now have a growing population that explodes every time they are told "no". Wonder why that is:rolleyes:

For a person struggling with their faith in the Church, socially attending a Catholic or Protestant church is "just the thing" for sure:cool:

Speaking to the leaders of His Church. I believe the Church is Zion which shall be lifted out in time. Those who witness the return of all Zion at the end of the Trib will be converts during the Great Tribulation referred to in Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: Revelation 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

This is the second time you said this. Now I have no idea what others may have written after as I stop reading at this point to post this ssooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, if anyone beat me to it I apologize to Him/her:) The whole city of Enoch was lifted out of here before "the worst of it" happened. Noah and his family remained behind to ride out the storm and they obeyed God which got them through the tempest. Now, will their be a remnent left behind to ride out the storm and witness the return of all those lifted out through out history?

I guess you'd have to include the Church in that list also:estaloco:

That is very true:cool:

See post 71 I referred to that as well.

Are you sure? "overwhelming evidence". We are that obvious huh:cool:

Just that easy? You are saying that it cannot go from a land of milk and honey to desert by the weather going hotter, cooler, dryer, wetter, etc,? This making it today more forage available then there was in the meridian of time or even a thousand years before then? Just wondering:cool:

I believe we have had climate change all over the world from time to time back and forth over the years. The Old Test tells us during the time it (the discription of the land) was written that it was a "land of milk and honey". It is so again in places after much work.

How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Or both:D I would of loved to had two birthdays celibrated:p

Please help me:mellow: It is most likely as plain as the head on my shoulders, but - How can I know that Mary was told by the Angel in the spring or better yet in May?