JohnnyRudick

If it is business I will end the call with the standard "Bye". If it is friends or family I will most likely use one of the "Talk at'cha later" or just "Later". If it is not frends or family, It most likely is "Bye" and I most likely will not see them again, as "Bye" to me means just that. They are going off on a sailing ship across the sea or flying off into space:-) I do plan on seeing friends and family again so I will let them go temporally with "Later":-)

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Me too:cool:

I don't know if what I am trying to point out here can be redily seen in this short note but look at these verses. John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. So is Jesus saying here that He eats the Father literally? 6:58 was already pointed out. In this context this verse takes on new perspective. John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Yeah. Quit running down "Gaia". She has feelings too:cool:

I'm OK. Got a little puney for a bit. Thanks for noticing:D

Not the bast "English" translation? That is not counting the Joseph Smith Version of the KJB, right?

The DSS was not an English collection was it? I am referring to the English and French dependents of the Vatican Library.

And that is not saying a whole lot. I am happy they like it though. I guess they have their reasons. I was not referring to the DSS, I was looking to more contemporary writings of man's devices from the LXX back then, to it's daughters today. Yes, Joseph Smith did a remarkable job. But of course he had personal help from the author Himself.

Some of this idea comes to me from the fact that Jesus Choose to leave this earth at the age of approx. 33 and a third years old.

I agree. And this much has already been said. I have always understood that "Soul" was a general term to point out a unique individual. A "Spirit" is one thing and the "Flesh" is another. But a "Soul" identifies a person what ever his state. Also "Soul" proper, is the union of Body and a God generated spirit. Just my understanding:mellow: More confusion?

I have mixed feelings about this. I do not believe it came out and is spread around the way he meant. Hatch is not a "mean spirited" kind of guy.

I believe our natural state of appearance when we are in our final resurrected state will be in the similitude of a 32/33 year old. A personal belief please don't ask me for references as I do not have any;-)

No, Actually I am referring to [of] all the per-versions of the books that are contained in the English Bible.

Which is why most of us use the King James Bible instead of all the other per-versions out there. Yes, and I know it ain't perfect either. But it is the best the English speaking world has at the moment.

Seems to me that we about have this question answered about as well as it is going to be answered. Right?

I think when you personally attack the other one because of his/her answers.

Looking for that "Laugh" button again:haha:

I was only pointing out that "some" thought the world was flat. And as far as the "dragon" is concerned, this is a song which in most cases is allegory. Genesis is presented as History. An actual account. The serpent most understand is a picture of Satan or Lucifer. He was defeated at the creation and will be for the last time at the end of this world. The great deeps in this connection is not the ocean but the space outside this earth. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen. [Revelation 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.] Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down? Job 41:2 Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn? Job 41:3 Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee? Job 41:4 Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever? Job 41:5 Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens? Job 41:6 Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants? Job 41:7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears? Job 41:8 Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more. Job 41:9 Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him? Job 41:10 None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me? Job 41:11 Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine. Job 41:12 I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion. Job 41:13 Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle? Job 41:14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about. Job 41:15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal. Job 41:16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them. Job 41:17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered. Job 41:18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Job 41:20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. Job 41:21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. Job 41:22 In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him. Job 41:23 The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved. Job 41:24 His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone. Job 41:25 When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves. Job 41:26 The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon. Job 41:27 He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood. Job 41:28 The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble. Job 41:29 Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear. Job 41:30 Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire. Job 41:31 He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment. Job 41:32 He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary. Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Note: there is no dry land and no atmosphere around the Earth at this time. See how it all plays out. Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. Genesis 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Note: The earth is covered with water. God separates the waters from the waters and we have the Earth with the heavens around it. The waters under the heavens upon this earth now need to be gathered together. Genesis 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Just a thought:mellow:

It is my understand from all that I have read on the subject, Jesus could (also had the right to) atone for us because he was the Son of Mary. Jesus had the ability where it was not possible for any other man, because He is the Son of God.

It's not. This seems to support the "Creation Model".:-)

The texts of this link works for me. I will go with that God created Adam in the Garden and breathed into his pre-fall body his spirit that was a begotten son of God. That will work for me as well. In other words, I am happy with this take as well.

As I said "This was the way I understood it; . . ." Luke 3:37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. Just an observation is all. Adam had to have been born before the fall according to most scripture I read of the event of his entrance into the garden. If he was born the same way we were and he is a son of God in the same line of context given in the genealogies, then I "speculate" that God did not have sex with a creature of this earth at that time. But Jesus is listed as bein the only begotten Son of God and many LDS as I was growing up stress, "In the flesh" which make me "speculate" that having an earthly mother as the Scripture declares (unless there are some who "speculate" that is allegorical) and God as His Father by the power of the Holy Ghost, makes me think that Jesus would be the only Son of God in the fallen flesh after the fall. The Scripture as usual does not come right out with it but placing Scripture with Scripture, keeping the context straight, makes me think in this direction.