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The glory of God is intelligence, or, in other words, light and truth. I was just curious why the connection between this scripture and actual intelligences has never been made. I mean understanding that God's Work and Glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. If God's Glory is intelligence I really don't think that is how smart He is or how he applies his knowledge. If we look at some quotes and scriptures I'll try to explain. "An Immortal Intelligence, clothed with a mortal tabernacle, is called a man." Parley P. Pratt. "A person may profit by noticing the first intimation of the spirit of revelation, for instance, when you feel pure intelligence flowing into you, it may give you sudden strokes of ideas..." Joseph Smith. " When True Doctrines are advanced, though they may be new to the hearers, yet the principles contained therein are perfectly natural and easy to be understood, so much so that the hearers often imagine that they had always known them. This arises from the influence of the Spirit of Truth upon the Spirit of Intelligence that is within each person." D&C 93:29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. D&C 93:23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth; "Our Father who swells in yonder heavens, and his son Jesus Christ, inhabit the highest degree of glory in eternity. That are possessed of all the fullness of Glory (We know the Glory of God is Intelligence). They have a fullness of Happiness, a fullness of Power, a fullness of Intelligence, Light and Truth, and they bear rule over all other kingdoms of interior glory(Inferior intelligences), of inferior happiness, and of inferior power." Now I'm just trying to connect A and B here. Man was in the beginning with God. Intelligence or the Light of Truth, even the Spirit of Truth. These degrees of intelligence work perfectly with the Light of Christ, Spirit of Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Everyone who comes into this world receives the Light of Christ. The Spirit of Christ is given to us at our confirmation along with the call to receive the Holy Ghost. These are three separate and distinct Glories of Intelligences. A quick further understanding of the subject would be the garden representation. The tree of knowledge of good and Evil represents the Spirit of Christ and the Light of Christ. The Tree of Life represents the Fullness of the Holy Ghost or Calling and Election. The Flaming Sword is put between us and The Tree of Life. The Flaming Sword represents the Word of God, or the Commandments which we must follow almost perfectly before we can receive our Calling and Elections. There are cherubim set to guide us in the church to our Calling and Elections. Do you think there is any connection between the references of Intelligences and the glory of God? www.angelpalmoni.com web.me.com/angelpalmoni

Hugh W. Nibley: "Patriarchy and Matriarchy"

My story begins with Adam and Eve, the archetypal man and woman, in whom each of us is represented. From the most ancient times their thrilling confrontation has been dramatized in rites and ceremonies throughout the world, as part of a great creation-drama rehearsed at the new year to celebrate the establishment of divine authority on earth in the person of the king and his companion. There is a perfect unity between these two mortals; they are “one flesh.” The word rib expresses the ultimate in proximity, intimacy, and identity. When Jeremiah speaks of “keepers of my tsela (rib)” (Jeremiah 20:10 ), he means bosom friends, inseparable companions. Such things are to be taken figuratively, as in Moses 3:22 and Genesis 2:22 , when we are told not that the woman was made out of the rib or from the rib, but that she was the rib, a powerful metaphor. So likewise “bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh” (Genesis 2:23 ), “and they shall cleave together as one flesh”—the condition is that of total identity. “Woman, because she was taken out of man” (Moses 3:23; italics added) is interesting because the word woman is here mysteriously an extension of man, a form peculiar to English; what the element wo- or wif- means or where it came from remains a mystery, according to the Oxford English Dictionary. Equally mysterious is the idea of the man and woman as the apple of each other's eye. Philological dictionaries tell us that it is a moot question whether the word apple began with the eye or the fruit. The Greek word is kora or korasion, meaning a little girl or little woman you see in the eye of the beloved; the Latin equivalent is pupilla, from pupa or little doll, from which we get our word pupil. What has diverted me to this is the high degree to which this concept developed in Egypt in the earliest times. The Eye of Re is his daughter, sister, and wife—he sees himself when he looks into her eye, and the other way around. It is the image in the eye that is the ideal, the wdjat, that which is whole and perfect. For “it is not good that man should be alone”; he is incomplete by himself—the man is not without the woman in the Lord. (See 1 Corinthians 11:11.) The perfect and beautiful union of Adam and Eve excited the envy and jealousy of the Evil One, who made it his prime objective to break it up. He began by making both parties self-conscious and uncomfortable. “Ho, ho,” said he, “you are naked. You had better run and hide, or at least put something on. How do you think you look to your Father?” They had reason to be ashamed, because their nakedness betrayed their disobedience. They had eaten of the forbidden fruit. But Satan wanted to shock them with his pious show of prudish alarm—he had made them ashamed of being seen together, and that was one wedge driven between them. His first step (or wedge) had been to get one of them to make an important decision without consulting the other. He approached Adam in the absence of Eve with a proposition to make him wise, and being turned down he sought out the woman to find her alone and thus undermine her resistance more easily. It is important that he was able to find them both alone, a point about which the old Jewish legends have a good deal to say. The tradition is that the two were often apart in the Garden engaged in separate tasks to which each was best fitted. In other words, being one flesh did not deprive either of them of individuality or separate interests and activities. After Eve had eaten the fruit and Satan had won his round, the two were now drastically separated, for they were of different natures. But Eve, who in ancient lore is the one who outwits the serpent and trips him up with his own smartness, defeated this trick by a clever argument. First she asked Adam if he intended to keep all of God's commandments. Of course he did! All of them? Naturally! And what, pray, was the first and foremost of those commandments? Was it not to multiply and replenish the earth, the universal commandment given to all God's creatures? And how could they keep that commandment if they were separated? It had undeniable priority over the commandment not to eat the fruit. So Adam could only admit that she was right and go along: “I see that it must be so,” he said, but it was she who made him see it. This is much more than a smart way of winning her point, however. It is the clear declaration that man and woman were put on the earth to stay together and have a family—that is their first obligation and must supersede everything else. Now a curse was placed on Eve, and it looked as if she would have to pay a high price for taking the initiative in the search for knowledge. To our surprise the identical curse was placed on Adam also. For Eve, God “will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow shalt thou bring forth children.” (Genesis 3:16.) The key is the word for sorrow, atsav, meaning to labor, to toil, to sweat, to do something very hard. To multiply does not mean to add or increase but to repeat over and over again; the word in the Septuagint is plethynomai, as in the multiplying of words in the repetitious prayers of the ancients. Both the conception and the labor of Eve will be multiple; she will have many children. Then the Lord says to Adam, “In sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life” (that is, the bread that his labor must bring forth from the earth). The identical word is used in both cases; the root meaning is to work hard at cutting or digging; both the man and the woman must sorrow and both must labor. (The Septuagint word is lype, meaning bodily or mental strain, discomfort, or affliction.) It means not to be sorry, but to have a hard time. If Eve must labor to bring forth, so too must Adam labor (Genesis 3:17 ; Moses 4:23 ) to quicken the earth so it shall bring forth. Both of them bring forth life with sweat and tears, and Adam is not the favored party. If his labor is not as severe as hers, it is more protracted. For Eve's life will be spared long after her childbearing—”nevertheless thy life shall be spared”—while Adam's toil must go on to the end of his days: “In sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life!” Even retirement is no escape from that sorrow. The thing to notice is that Adam is not let off lightly as a privileged character; he is as bound to Mother Eve as she is to the law of her husband. And why not? If he was willing to follow her, he was also willing to suffer with her, for this affliction was imposed on Adam expressly “because thou hast hearkened unto . . . thy wife and, hast eaten of the fruit.” And both their names mean the same thing. For one thing they are both called Adam: “And [he] called their name Adam” (Genesis 5:2; italics added). We are told in the book of Moses that Adam means “many,” a claim confirmed by recent studies of the Egyptian name of Atum, Tem, Adamu. The same applies to Eve, whose epithet is “the mother of all living.” And what a woman! In the Eden story she holds her own as a lone woman in the midst of an all-male cast of no less than seven supermen and angels. Seven males to one lone woman! Interestingly enough, in the lost and fallen world that reverses the celestial order, the ratio is also reversed, when seven women cling to one righteous man. This calls for an explanation: God commanded his creatures to go into the world “two and two,” and yet we presently find the ancient patriarchs with huge families and many wives. What had happened? To anticipate our story, it so happened that when the first great apostasy took place in the days of Adam and Eve, the women, being wise after the nature of Mother Eve, were less prone to be taken in by the enticements of the Cainite world. For one thing they couldn't—they were too busy having children to get into all that elaborate nonsensical mischief. Seven women could see the light when only one man could.

Sticks and Stones

I didn't know until 1/2 way through my mission when a non denominational Christian made me really really take apart everything I thought my Testimony Stood on, I put it all back together stronger. Meh everyone is different

Wow, you are amazingly honest, it's refreshing. I had a very interesting life experience with a friend, He had been dating a member girl for 5 years, been taught the discussions many many times, but still didn't feel anything towards the church except for 2 things. It made good moral sense, and everyone seemed nice. So with many baptismal invitations he just kept asking if that was enough to get baptized. His member girlfriend would not marry him unless he was LDS he understood it perfectly but yet still completely honest. He was a professional Magician and I did close up magic so I was able relate certain gospel ideas to magic. Still nothing at all, it just made good sense. It took reading Our Search for Happiness by M Russel Ballard and the Book of Mormon again (his 3rd time) during a cruise ship contract (magic shows), and he had a gentle soft spiritual experience. For 5 years, more than anything, all he wanted was to know so that he could be with his girlfriend.

Hmmm, sometimes not so true... Personal pet peeve, was when I was a missionary I had a companion that obeyed mission rules 110%, which was great until one time we were pulling out of an empty church parking lot and it is POURING RAIN. He insists that I get out of the car to back it up. Letter of the Law I get out and back up the car and get drenched Spirit of the Law, We have the spiritual intelligence to know that it would be stupid to get out and back up the car... There is no Heavenly Law against Common Sense. Angel Palmoni

I hardly doubt that we really think that the lost ten tribes are living in the hollow earth... That is simply ridiculous. It would make for an interesting Church Lesson though... Angel Palmoni web.me.com/angelpalmoni

Could you please explain this a little more. I am afraid I don't quite understand. ~Angel Palmoni~

hmmm, I wonder, if you would be so generous as to tell us all what you currently already know about how we would answer this topic. Furthermore I hope you have an extremely good day. ~Angel Palmoni~

To be a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not mean that we are members of the church of the First Born. To be there we must have our Calling and Election. That is how the order of the intelligences bring us. The Light of Christ brings people from outside the church into the gospel where they receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost which is the Spirit of Christ. The Spirit of Christ brings people from within the church to the Church of the First Born which is receiving ones Calling and Election. ~Angel Palmoni~

I've never heard someone say that the still small voice was a girl.

Within Every Plan of Salvation, every level of progressing intelligences, there is one perfect being... there has to be or else the Plan of Salvation would be Null and Void... No one else could fill the role of Christ because they would sin!!!

The Hand Placements are simply the most convenient way of plugging your nose and being dunked...

You are correct that we don't know that much about intelligences, but I assume they are in the form of a personage. My intelligence is running this machine body of mine. D&C 93:29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed an be. D&C 93:23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of Truth; Intelligence is the Light of Truth, or the Spirit of Truth, or the Light of Christ Spirit of Christ Holy Ghost. Interestingly whatever principle of intelligence we attain in this life with rise with us in the Resurrection. If all you attain and accept in this life is the Light of Christ then you are at a TEL Glory. If you attain and accept the Spirit of Christ (Confirmation) "His Spirit to be with them" then the TER Glory. If you attain the Holy Ghost, or calling and Election, then the CEL Kingdom.

Ok, So the way that I think that it could at least make some logical sense... We Progressed through eternity as intelligences from various levels of Darkness to Light until a point of where our intelligences were at the level ready to be organized into spiritual bodies. There are intelligences behind us that are also progressing, so when we are in divine position to organize intelligences for the next plan of Salvation. These Lower Intelligences (Below us) are still apart of the Plan of Salvation as the Light of Christ, the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Ghost.

So you are saying that at some point in the eternities as intelligences we were equal in running to be a "savior" and Christ was the only one who pulled it off? So you or I could have been a Christ?

Which could mean that there is a perfect intelligence watching Christ in this Plan of Salvation, and will in the next plan of Salvation be the Christ.....

I can't read any of those Languages and I can read it fine.... maybe you should get that checked out. Somehow Christ as an intelligence saw God the Father in the Last Plan of Salvation do what Christis doing here.

Well I'll be the first to agree with the fact that revelation has limited info about the Holy Ghost... What we have is A and Z and we are left to ponder everything in between. That being said I'm a really good problem solver and I love to ponder. Yes the term Spirit is misleading I agree... How do you feel about the term Intelligence....

That was kind of how I viewed the Trinity.... weird huh web.me.com/angelpalmoni

I think I actually found a Talk by Bruce R and one by Stephen Covey that separates Light of Christ Spirit of Christ Holy Ghost That are separate intelligences

FALSE DOCTRINE!!! Sorry I just saw an FD BOMB and had to flag it!!!

There ain't no party like a Holy Ghost Party, hahahaha, all accused religious hobbyists are invited! ~Angel Palmoni~ So I guess I'm known as a nutter...

I like you're thinking it is definitely outside the box. I'm sure like you you don't say the things you think all the time, because I probably wouldn't have any lds friends if I did. Do you think that the Holy Ghost has a Spirit Body and is a Begotten Child of our heavenly Father? Hey seriously can I bounce some of my ideas off of you? I'd be happy if you did the same... [email protected] web.me.com/angelpalmoni