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Even if the papyrus were authentic and the reading accurate, there is still far more evidence showing that Jesus was unmarried or celibate.

Don't worry, Relief Society has good lessons on ocassion.

Perhaps it is just me, but I find teary-monies for the most part an abysmal, tedious experience. Maybe it is a cultural thing.

It is obviously because women are perfect, transcendentally spiritual giants, whereas men are lazy, no-good spiritual midgets that can't even think simple things out ahead of time, or throw some inflection into a terminally-dull rote reading from the manual.

No, you don't have to let go of it.

Let us know then, the next time you purchase one of these swimming suits.

Musical literacy doesn't lessen the deep effect of music on the soul, if anything, it is increased when you understand the language of music.

Not overseas.

Hala, I think you would enjoy the music of Piris and Mark Eliyahu. Father and son, Daghestani Jews who are extremely conversant in the classical musical traditions of the Middle East. Piris plays the taar, and Mark the kamanche. Utterly amazing and spiritual music.

It is not that I spoke too soon, but it did start raining in the night.

SO do I, and I was just outside to mail a letter, hasn't rained yet.

Would Mohanna have understood it as much in any other way? You have to bear in mind that Western cultural norms feel natural to Westerners. There is a wonderful bit in an old Soviet movie set in Central Asia of the 1920s. A Bolshevik soldier happened to liberate the harem of one of the guerilla chieftains. He immediately sets about reorganising them according to the most progressive standards. After long explanations of how they are free, and aren't his wives, and he hasn't captured them, he appoints the youngest one supervisor over the rest. She runs off to taunt the others by loudly proclaiming, "Our lord and master has made me the favourite wife!" We relay experiences and events through our cultural lenses.

What precisely?

We hang people on commas.

It has to do with that society's modes of expression.

What I meant is that I suffer from severe dyscalculia.

I am that third group.

The noble and great ones are leaders of those who did not follow Lucifer, not a separate group. The divine council, as you've noted.

Implied where? If the word doesn't require three groups, if only two groups are mentioned in the scriptures, then why is it logical to assume three groups? That is why your speculation doesn't make much sense to me.

But it is still a part of the orange, not a habanero. If there are only two groups talked about, those who rebelled and those who did not, then where is the third group? In other words, what would lead you to suppose that each part was a separate group.

Your whole premise, I feel, rests on a misunderstanding, so why don't we look at the usual meaning of "part" in Joseph's day? Search => [word] => part :: 1828 Dictionary :: Search the 1828 Noah Webster's Dictionary of the English Language (FREE) :: 1828.mshaffer.com part P`ART, n. [L. pars, partis.] 1. A portion, piece or fragment separated from a whole thing; as, to divide an orange into five parts. So, if the whole is the "hosts of heaven," then a "third part" is just that, a third of the whole. Looking for three distinct groups is rather unnecessary, doing violence to the plain reading of the text.

Very well put.

My thoughts exactly.

He means those who are ashamed of Christ and, as a result, spurn him. Measure for measure. In LDS scripture you have those who partook of the fruit, looked at the great and spacious building, and became ashamed. Both are talking of a continual state, luckily for us all, repentance wipes that slate clean. Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

A third part doesn't mean there were three different groups. A third part is just that, a third, though it need not be scientifically precise. For example, a Hebrew poem from the 12th century calls Isaac a third part of the lights, refering to the tradition that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are likened to stars. Isaac here is a third of the same group.