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Okay if you know and it is fact to you prove it. To quote one of my favorite forum personalities here "cant and wont" Please do not make ignorant statements of fact that which you can only believe to be true. Truth is provable belief is....well something YOU believ

I would go check those facts. And also understand the oldest copies of the old testament we have is a copy of a copy of a copy etc... at a time known for inaccuracy in the copies. And it is well documented that the new testament was a severe victim of omissions and additions and changes for one reason or another. Also most of the four books are not even original leading to the theory of the Q source.

Academia's take on 'him' is that the gospel wasn't even written until 100 ad. So at this point we have a man around 150 or so years old writing a religious manuscript. At that age I might be able to write some pretty fantastic stuff to. I have Josephus' complete works in hand please provide me with a page #. The authors of the new testament were writing in proxy for and were not even alive when Jesus was. That is academic understanding. And to use the four gospels as a pseudo proof is shaky they don't even agree with each other and there is mush research and study that shows we don't even have the new testament as it was written when it was written. Blind faith without understanding what you are having faith in is ignorance.

I want to know where other than the bible preferably a year 0 to year 50 text that says jesus said x y and z. I can write a book now and base it on questionable texts from the 3rd and 4th centuries and write well enough to be accepted by christianity. Doesn't mean its true just based on popular hearsay. None of the literature or scripture or whatever was written or based on any of jesus' peers or even anyone who was alive when these events took place.

Depends on if you ask a muslim their point of view.

Or self delusion. Where exactly were you trying to go with this post?

Where other than the bible is this documentation?

And they shall be known by their fruits.

Prove he said it without referring to flawed and in most cases discredited literature and I will drive the bandwagon.

Ever hear of a little event called the crusades. How about the Balkan war.

How gullible sheep are.

Part of your job as a witness of the 'true' church is to answer these questions over and over again with patience and understanding not with a hostile defensive stance. isnt loving your neighbor (even your nonchristian neighbor who does not agree with your beliefs)as you would love yourself the single basic tenet of christianity?

Pure egotism "we are right and you are wrong" please defend your view without religious scare tactics.

Your wrong. Have you ever looked at Buddhist teachings? Buddhist and christian teachings are almost exactly the same with the exclusion of the judaic concept of 'god'. If you know what you defend is 'true' you will have no problem proving it to me. If it will help you in this I will pm you my personal phone number.

I have seen enough atrocities committed in the name of 'god' and people justifying themselves by 'god' in all senses and branches of the judeo-christian tradition that I believe this stance to be a wrong ego driven one. You keep hiding from those 'worldly' scholars maybe when it all comes down to it you find yourself on the wrong side of the fence. When was the last time you saw or heard of a Buddhist start a war or kill some one or perform even the slightest violence against someone for not believing as they do?

I never said belief. I said proof.

I would say after the medical evaluation with a complete CAT scat comes back clear then one would have to be screened for psychiatric issues. All that checks out good I would say its a strong possibility. It is truly amazing how many small issues and imbalances in the body can create 'religious' events. This is the reason so many churches debunk them rather than take them at face value which in my valueless opinion is the safe way to go.

Biased truth as you admit you as a christian see it right?

Why if I don't believe what you do about the bible does my state before christ automatically come up?

My state before christ is between him and me thank you.

This what a nameless author writing in another persons name who never met Jesus said that's what Jesus said. I like to get my information from the horses mouth not from questionable literature.

On the flip side of this do you have any evidence to the contrary? No? Here is the reality. No can prove or disprove a god in any form.

Was not aware of the difference since almost every anthropomorphic being I know is emotionally unstable. Thought it was in the genes.

When disusing religion we are not talking about help. We are talking about spiritual truth in christian terms salvation. You wanna mow my lawn that helps me out be my guest. I don't care if you use a machine or fingernail clippers. You wanna talk about the salvation of my eternal soul and tell me if I don't believe like you do then I am lost well then we got an issue. Your way (I don't care what way it is) is NOT the only way.

I think everyone is missing the point of our life here. Why would god give us free will and then manipulate everything we decide to do if he didn't agree with it. Lets look at it another way I know mormons like to believe in an anthropomorphic god that has human views and emotions etc. but the reality is he is not anthropomorphic and does not judge us in this sense of the term. Is there divine intervention? Maybe I haven't seen it. The tradition of christianity I come from teaches one to reject any visions or revelations as false as a fail safe believing that its better to reject a divine event rather than accept one from satan. Reality is anyone in this day and age who has a divine event and doesn't stop by the old cat scan first is just deluded. God does not manipulate mortal lives or events. Things that happen happen because people are horrible to each other. Heck we cant even agree how to believe in god without starting wars and killing those that don't share our point of view. And we do this in the name of god. If he were an anthropomorphic being he would cry himself to sleep at night and contemplate suicide over all this.