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I completely agree. It's sad that we can now look back and see how much some of these church leaders (Throughout all religions) have failed us. Yes they are only human, just like anyone else, but I think many of us, myself included, expect more out of them.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I would rather a paper trail showing I covered my bases than ignoring a situation if it comes back to bite me. There is never a perfect solution, and will always be "exceptions to the rule", but as I stated before, better safe than sorry.

There is definitely plenty of people that fall into that.

Having read your posts for years now (long time lurker), I think you would appreciate a "common sense" approach. When someone is saying child abuse or rape, that is much different than a single bruise. And if you aren't sure, better safe than sorry.

I don't think some general views by certain people over the past 40 years represent every young mans struggle today with pornography. Pornography is in much more abundance at such a younger age, that I personally feel like it is a lot more difficult issue for young men in 2018 than it was in 1980 on a whole (everyone is different).

Yea, maybe I miss-interpreted. I read it as the "church court" since I am so used to people calling it that.

This is what I quoted, and was replying to his personal situation. Perhaps there is miscommunication going on because your response is hard to match up to what I said based on his personal situation. Maybe you felt like I was responding to the original posting? Here is my reply regardless. - Sent by himself. If he was able to send the knowledge of knowing child abuse was going on to a church authority, he should have been sending that to the legal authorities. - I don't think the Church should be involved at determining the legality of those things other than turning over what information they are given to the authorities (legal ones). If you want to let the Bishop know what's going on, fine, but that should be secondary to letting CPS (or police, etc) know.

And this is the problem in my view. That information should have been sent to the local legal authorities, not the local ecclesiastic authorities. We see the same issue across many organizations, who keep it all internal when it should be handled outside the organization. How many occurrences have happened just like this, where the local church authority covered it up? Hopefully very few, but I am not too optimistic about that.

Divorce proceedings can change by state, so just keep that in mind when hearing about what to do from someone other than your lawyer. From my understanding, in some states cheating on a spouse can effect the outcome, while other states it can't be used at all, so make sure you clarify that with your lawyer.

Looks like Kobe did let it out that this is his last season. I'm sure it sucks for him, but it happens to everyone. I am sure alot of laker fans are breathing a sigh of relief though!

I watched Lakers and Warriors last night, and all I could think was " sure if you let me shoot that much I could hit 1-11 also", which is what Kobe's shooting was. I'm sure there is hope he gets better throughout the year, but much longer of this and he needs to save himself the embarrassment and retire, because last night was so mediocre. He didn't look like he belonged in the nba. Warriors have faced a few good teams, but overall their schedule has been really weak, and all their players are healthy. Any great team needed some luck to elevate them higher, and that is waht the warriors are seeing right now. Will be interesting to see if they lose one of their top players to injury and have to play against a fully healthy cavs/spurs team and how they will deal with it.

I have been into MMA I would guess about 10 years now, watching almost every PPV and keeping up on alot of the fighters. But occasionally there will be a fight here or there that makes me step back and question it... for a day or two, then I am back into it. These type of fights would be ones where the ref isn't stopping it even though it is obvious the guy is out on his feet and is just taking a beating until he goes unconscious. Blood and cuts, broken limbs, none of that phases me but when someone can't fight back, the fight should be stopped asap. Sadly most of the refs are terrible.

Warriors one game from setting best starting record, but luckily we have the Mighty Lakers to stop them! Congrats to warriors on the new record :)

I guess we shouldn't be suprised anymore at Coach's getting fired. Seems coachs are the first people on the hotseat and the stars are usually blameless. Being from AZ and a huge suns fan, it's shocking to people here that I am a big fan of the Spurs. The more I read about their organization the more respect I have, and it shows how successful they have been. More organizations need to try that model, and be PATIENT, and see where it takes them.

Holly showed great movement, something I really haven't seen too much of her since she crossed over to mma. She finally is showing what many people expected of her, and that is great. But Ronda wasn't actively trying to take her down, the one instance she did was more opportunistic. IMO Jon Jones is not a great example to compare to Holly Holm. Jon jones uses his length really well to keep distance, Holly uses alot better foot work and Angles. Holly came from a boxing/kickboxing background, Jones comes from a wrestling background, huge difference when discussing Holly keeping it on the feet. Jones has improved ALOT on his BJJ, and we haven't seen too much of Hollies. Slipping out of ONE arm bar attempt though does not make me think she can continue to do it in a rematch if Ronda focuses on that. I believe Holly is a legit top teir fighter in that division, and that the win wasn't a fluke by anymores. But we see this all the time, bad gameplans can make great fighters look amateur. Holly still has a good chance to win the next fight, but I would put my money on Ronda (if she mentally gets over the beating she took, which might not happen at all).

I saw the power rankings and lakers weren't even last place, so that is a plus! Kobe saying he hurts just walking to his car, that he is sore all over.... that is what old age and mileage will do to ya. I think they would be better off without him, but no way he is quitting this season without a serious injury.

Was great to see that happen, she has had it coming and finally someone could make it happen. Realistically I still think Ronda takes the rematch. I think she got caught up in her own hype thinking she had great standup and thought she could stand with holly. Always the chance she gets rocked coming in because she is terrible at closing the distance, but I think she would be the favorite on the 2nd fight.

I don't disagree, but I never said otherwise. And I never brought up a discussion for both extremes, simply that we as members (myself included) sometimes get so caught up on the letter of the law, that we miss the spirit of it.

Yea , I feel completely different on this. I think about 4-5 years ago Kobe matured and started to play more team basketball, but the more he has gotten injured the more he has gone back to being a selfish player. Some people will argue that he HAS to put up all those crazy shots because no one else on his team can, but I don't buy that. I hate dropping the Jordan comparison, but during his stint on the Wizards, jordan learned to play effeciently for what he was capable of, but Kobe still seems to be throwing up crazy shots when he doesn't have it in him.

I just saw today an article that said Kobe wants to play in the 2016 olympics. I'm kind of facepalming, but I understand historically they have had older people on there that play just a few minutes (larry bird comes to mind). As a competitor though, I would feel like, if I am not good enough to be there, then I shouldn't take someone elses spot, but then again I have never had the opportunity to be on an olympic team....

Well I am not Pharisee historian, so I won't claim I KNOW all those things you mention. I am simply going off my basic understanding. If you like I can rephrase my words. In regards to the OP, "All is well in zion", my thoughts on the matter are that we as members focus too much on the letter of the law, instead of the spirit of the law.

Everyone takes things different, and also reacts differently. What could be me trying to be nice, but blunt and getting to the point might come across as bullying to others. I would say they need to grow a thicker Skin, and they would say I need to not be such a jerk. In the end, I TRY (key word try) to come across as nice as I can with still getting across my points, and those people need to TRY(key word try) to interpret my words as non attacking, and perhaps then we can communicate with eachother regardless of our differences.

Re-read your answers after I did mine, I did TERRIBLE! Maybe for others they were fine, but I was shocked at how bad I did. 1. What is another name for America, authorized by the Book of Mormon? Land of promise 2. Is a “seer” and a “prophet” the same thing? Not necessarily. A prophet is automatically a Seer, but a seer is not automatically a prophet (or the other way around) 3. Who is Zelph? Righteous Lamanite Warrior who Joseph Smith pointed out where his burial place was. 4. Where did Adam first offer sacrifice after he was cast out of the Garden of Eden? On an altar...somewhere... 5. In the D&C Section 61, it states that “no flesh shall be safe upon the waters.” What was one part of the fulfillment of this prophecy? No clue 6. What is the name of God in the Adamic language? I don't speak/write in Adamic... so I'm guessing you mean translated into English... Elohim? 7. What are the names of Noah's three sons and what geographical areas did they settle in after the flood? Shem, Hamm yea that's all I have. 8. What is the meaning of the name, “Israel?” Son of God? 9. Which of the Twelve Tribes of Israel was Moses from? Aaron...maybe.. 10. How many elders make up a quorum? 12 11. What are the three elements of baptism? Immersion, Holy Ghost... 12. What is the first principle of the gospel? Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. 13. What are the three grand orders of the priesthood? No clue. 14. What are the three independent principles taught by Joseph Smith? No clue. 15. Satan can appear as an angel of light. Can he also appear in the sign of the dove? No, God promised he could never do that. 16. Must a person hold the Melchizedek Priesthood in order to cast out evil spirits? Technically ANYONE could cast it out by the Power of God... but specifically using the Priesthood to do so, I believe it does require the Higher Priesthood. 17. What is the meaning of Salvation? To be saved. 18. What is the greatest and most important duty of the Church? To bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. 19. What is the grand key that unlocks the glories and mysteries of the kingdom of heaven? Urim and Thummim?

When I think about members today, I mostly think about the Pharisees back in Christs time. It seems to me that now a days we focus sooooo much on the letter of the law, and forget why we have it. The law was made for Man, not the other way around. I, like everyone else is guilty of this, but it seems like we have bought into that we were made for the law. Just my 2 cents.