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He can ask for one. If they don't show one, even if they have one on them, the police can still be called about it and they would handle it.

Don't get me wrong, the church as a whole is great. It was established by Jesus Christ so it has to be. I just wonder how he'd feel about those that don't follow the gospel yet are members.

How do you think they'd feel about the members of the church? I know there's quite a bit that break the Word of Wisdom, Law of Chastity, etc. People in my ward break both of those religious laws of ours and still members and partake of the sacrament while it used to be if you did those things you were excommunicated. To be honest, if most people are like how they are in the ward I go to I think Joseph and Brigham would be disappointed. Again, how do you think they'd feel about the members as a whole?

Ah, ok. Thanks. Someone tried using that verse by itself on youtube.

Revelation 3: 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. There's also a scripture in the New Testament that says we'll be joint-heirs with Christ. Since God the Father said all are Christ's and we are joint-heirs with Christ that means all are ours as well. Also, look up John 10:34-35.

Although others have said you can't do anything about it, I disagree. You can call the police on them for starting a riot and soliciting. What are they saying? What kind of signs do they have? If I were there I'd definitely say something to them. While they have freedom of speech, we also have freedom of speech as well as freedom of religion. If someone is or is trying to violate a constitutional right, they may be charged. You can get them for slander, talking falsehoods, and libel, written falsehoods such as their signs. Most people only think of major crimes being reported but many moderate crimes add up. Yes, you can rightfully call the police on them.

I'm pretty sure the church teaches God the Father is exhaulted. What about what Romans 1:23 says? Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

I've done some research about the differences in the two and they're interesting. Fairlds also talks about the differences as well as how the New Testament comes into play with it. I'll use the following verses for example: (Septuagint) Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, ye heavens, with him, and let all the angels of God worship him; rejoice ye Gentiles, with his people, And let all the sons of God strengthen themselves in him; For he will avenge the blood of his sons, and he will render vengeance and recompense justice to his enemies, and will reward them that hate him; and the Lord shall purge the land of his people. (KJV) Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice O ye nations with his people, for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people. The two phrases in bold are not in the KJV Old Testament. However, they do appear in the New Testament. Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Romans 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. So as far as the literal translation in wording goes would you rather use the KJV Old Testament or the Septuagint?

I read these and thought I'd share them due to what they say. 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. According to these verses Earth already existed before the 6 days of creation. After reading these and other scriptures I'm guessing the verses that mention God creating earth are referring to creating the new earth after the previous one flooded with water perished.

If the reason is just because you want sex then obviously that's an evil desire. If it's with someone you love, while married, then it's natural and righteous.

Honestly I think it depends. If you know someone of the opposite sex and you two are dating then it's a combination but if there's a good looking girl, I'm talking about how some non-members are, and a guy sees her and if he's thinking of just one thing then it's purely physical.

Although I'm rather certain it was Mormon's son, Joseph Smith's History doesn't say exactly. Was is Captain Moroni that appeared to Joseph Smith or Moroni, Mormon's son?

Well it actually is kind of new because the common interpretation is the fruit of knowledge of good and evil was the reason.

I have an interesting spin in regards to what Genesis says about Adam and Eve eating the fruit and being sent out of Eden. We hear that Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden because of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil since they were commanded not to. However, after reading chapters 2 and 3 more thoroughly I do not believe that is why. The verse in question about not being allowed to eat from the tree of knowledge is: Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. If you look at Genesis 3:22 afterward you see the reason for Adam and Eve being cast out of the garden. Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever. 23 And the Lord God sent him out of the paradise of pleasure, to till the earth from which he was taken. According to Genesis 3:22, Adam and Eve were actually cast out to prevent them from eating of the fruit of life, not because of eating of the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. If they had eaten the fruit from the tree of life they would have lived forever. It doesn't say anywhere they were sent out of Eden for eating of the fruit they already ate. Yes, eating from it was a sin because they directly disobeyed God but again, that does not seem to be why they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

I was referring to the one of the Lamanites.

Take another look at verse 21 and what's said and how it's said. 21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. While most agree this is referring to literal skin, I believe it's also referring to the spirit. Since they hardened their hearts to the Lord that means they were once followers of the Lord. In order for something to actual harden it has to be soft spiritually speaking in this case. I'll break up this verse piece by piece so you'll see what I mean. a) "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity." Obviously this is referring to the curse of being cut off from God. b) "For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome," This is usually taken as "they were at one time white". As I stated above, this is a common interpretation and yes it is referring to skin but there's a more spiritual level to this. White is a color that represents purity. If you talk about this from the spiritual perspective instead of the actual color itself it's referring to the fact that the Lamanites were once followers of God, thus making them pure (white). c) "that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." This part of the verse goes back to what I mentioned about the black skin being a mark of separation. Enticing means to lure (one of the definitions). By giving a mark such as black skin, the Nephites would know something is up with the Lamanites and to not follow their (the Lamanites) actions. If the mark wasn't visible then some of the Nephites would have gotten involved with whatever the Lamanites did and would also have turned from the Lord. Hope I helped.

The dark skin was the mark. Kind of like how you dress identical twins differently so you can tell them apart.

Also, the Book of Mormon answers 2 subjects the Bible barely touches on. 1. Isaiah 37:31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: 32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this. In Isaiah 37 we learn there were people that escaped Jerusalem. In the last part of verse 32 it states "the zeal of the lord of hosts shall do this." In other words, that remnant would be led on their journey by the Lord. However, the Bible does not mention once who these people were. 1 Nephi 1:4 For it came to pass in the commencement of the first year of the reign of Zedekiah, king of Judah, (my father, Lehi, having dwelt at Jerusalem in all his days); and in that same year there came many prophets, prophesying unto the people that they must repent, or the great city Jerusalem must be destroyed. 1 Nephi 2:2 And it came to pass that the Lord commanded my father, even in a dream, that he should take his family and depart into the wilderness. 3 And it came to pass that he was obedient unto the word of the Lord, wherefore he did as the Lord commanded him. 4 And it came to pass that he departed into the wilderness. And he left his house, and the land of his inheritance, and his gold, and his silver, and his precious things, and took nothing with him, save it were his family, and provisions, and tents, and departed into the wilderness. 2 John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be cone fold, and one shepherd. 17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. 19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. 20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? 21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? 22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch. You notice in John 10 Jesus says he has sheep that are "not of this fold". There is no answer on who this fold is because the Jews murmured among each other against Jesus. The answer is found here: 3 Nephi 15:16 This much did the Father command me, that I should tell unto them: 17 That other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 18 And now, because of stiffneckedness and unbelief they understood not my word; therefore I was commanded to say no more of the Father concerning this thing unto them. 19 But, verily, I say unto you that the Father hath commanded me, and I tell it unto you, that ye were separated from among them because of their iniquity; therefore it is because of their iniquity that they know not of you. 20 And verily, I say unto you again that the other tribes hath the Father separated from them; and it is because of their iniquity that they know not of them. 21 And verily I say unto you, that ye are they of whom I said: Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 22 And they understood me not, for they supposed it had been the Gentiles; for they understood not that the Gentiles should be converted through their preaching. 23 And they understood me not that I said they shall hear my voice; and they understood me not that the Gentiles should not at any time hear my voice—that I should not manifest myself unto them save it were by the Holy Ghost. 24 But behold, ye have both heard my voice, and seen me; and ye are my sheep, and ye are numbered among those whom the Father hath given me.

New Testament Temple Ritual Mormons ARE Christian U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life I've read these articles and they're really awesome.

I'm proud to be a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and know it is Jesus Christ's church. We have suffered persecution. Due to the church having this persecution I can't help but feel sorry for the persecution also given to the Catholic Church. I thought about this some today so I would like other people's opinions on this matter. According to history, the "trinity" was established as official doctrine by the Catholic Church in 325 AD at the council of Nicea. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches the trinity is not a teaching supported by scripture but that is not the point. There are people that are Protestants, Baptists, etc that are anti-Catholic yet they believe in the trinity. I find this odd. Anti-Catholics that are trinitarians believe in the trinity yet they heavily put down what made claimed this doctrine to be official. What are your opinions on this?

Such as the books of Adam, books of the 12 people the 12 tribes of Israel are named after, etc?

We've been instructed in YSA to read D&C this semester and I came across D&C 91, which talks about the Apocrypha, and have a question. Is it referring to the Apocrypha from the Protestants or the deuterocanonical Apocrypha of the Catholic Church?

The Bible and Book of Mormon are equal. One is no greater than the other. The Bible prophesies of the Book of Mormon and the Book of Mormon tells the origin of the Bible. I believe what people mean in regards to holding the Book of Mormon higher is the common "the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth" phrase. Yes, the Book of Mormon is the most correct book on earth and with good reason. Researching how the Bible came to be will help you. I mentioned the history on another thread. The books that would be canon in the Bible were voted on by the Catholic Church. Their scribes translated the original scriptures but had to insert their own words in places they did not understand. This is why you see italicized words in the Bible. They were not in the original scriptures. The scriptures of the Bible were translated by scribes while the Golden Plates were translated by Joseph Smith, a person not knowledgeable in ancient languages, by the power of God. People speak against this because there were changes in the Book of Mormon that were made but this was not Joseph Smith's doings. 1st, when he told Martin Harris what to write down in regards to the translation he gave no punctuation meaning no periods, commas, anything. The other mistakes corrections were due to printing errors. Also, keep in mind that the chapter headings and footnotes were not provided by Joseph Smith.

The two interpretations I've seen and heard are: A. Catholic Church B. All that oppose Jesus Christ's church is considered the abominable church The reason the Catholic Church is seen as the interpretation is due to the wording in the Book of Mormon. 1 Nephi 13:26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away. 27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men. 28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. 29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, These are the specific verses that cause people to interpret it as the Catholic Church. It was in fact ancient Catholic scribes that translated the scriptures. They decided what was canon and what wasn't. However, when the scriptures were translated the scribes did not understand the wording of all the original scriptures so they included words to get the scriptures to mean what they (the scribes) thought they meant. An example is the phrase "God is spirit" while according to historical documents of the languages at the time the word "is" would not have been used so it would actually translate to "God spirit". Since it was their council that decided what was canon and what wasn't then indeed some things that were precious were taken out. I'm not saying the Catholic Church is the abominable church the Book of Mormon speaks of, I'm just going by their history as well as the wording of the Book of Mormon. Since the Catholic Church was the one that decided what was canon they were also ultimately the ones that caused the Bible to go throughout the nations across the waters. The reason people interpret it as anyone that is opposed to Jesus Christ's true church is actually pretty simple and makes sense. Jesus Christ said in the New Testament that if you're not with him you're against him. I'm not giving my opinion one way or the other, I'm just giving unbiased information on why people interpret it the way they do. I hope I've helped.

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