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Yep. The Constitution gives every citizen a right to a fair trial. We, as members of the church, are taught to keep the laws of the land.

The scriptures say not even the Lord's angels knows when events that signify the 2nd Coming will happen. Not even Jesus Christ himself knows. Only one knows and that's God the Father. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Again, as the scriptures state, not even Jesus knows when the 2nd Coming will happen.

I'm not making fun of the event itself but what I do find, for lack of a better word, dumb, is how people are reacting about it. They said on the news today people had quit their jobs, sold everything they had including their houses, and things of that nature. So when this fails to happen there will be a lot of people with literally nothing. No homes, no job, nothing. However, this is the flaw I see in this "prophecy": It's said to take place on May 21, 2011. In some parts of the world today is May 21 while in other parts of the world May 21 is tomorrow.

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

I've always felts that the anti-Christ wouldn't be one person, but rather the body of all those that are against Christ with Satan being the leader.

I haven't misrepresented anything. All I've done is stated facts. It doesn't take a council to determine the nature of God. That's something else I don't understand. Why follow a belief that had to come from a council of people not of God? Mormonism and the nature of God/Trinity/Nicene creed - FAIRMormon Mormonism and the nature of God/Trinity/Early beliefs - FAIRMormon

Not exactly. Read the Nicene Creed and then read the Anathasian Creed. I've read the Nicene Creed and have yet to find anything in there that points to trinitarianism. In fact it seems to teach closer to our, LDS, beliefs than trinitarianism seeing how it shows God the Father and Jesus Christ are two distinct and separate beings. While the Nicene Creed did come first, it's not the creed that established the trinity doctrine. If it somehow does then it does a really poor job. "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and they are one God rather than three gods" Which creates a problem when you look at that. If you say "God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is one God" then you'd have a better ground but dividing them up individually and saying each is God and then turning around and saying they're not three gods makes a contradiction since in fact you'd be implying they are 3 gods. "Godhead" translates into deity which is the same thing. And what I mentioned about what their true nature is is correct seeing how it comes from the scriptures rather than creeds.

Yes. The reason Adam and Eve were cast out of Eden isn't because they ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They were cast out so they wouldn't eat from the tree of life because if they did they would have lived forever. You'll find that in Genesis 3:22. The opposition to free agency was simply Satan wanted everyone to follow him without having a choice. In other words, we'd live as slaves our entire lives. Don't worry so much about the trinity doctrine. This originates from the Anathasian, not Nicene, Creed. It also says anyone who's not Catholic isn't saved. The trinity teaches this: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God. However, if you ask people of Judaism they'll tell you trinitarianism isn't monotheistic and I think Jews would know about that subject. The doctrine of the trinity creates a problem within itself. Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Since, by trinity standards, all three is one God that's saying Jesus Christ is the Son of God the Father, Jesus Christ (himself), and the Holy Ghost. If they say it's just referring to God the Father then they're breaking up that trinitarian belief. I don't get why they had to have a council on the divinity of the Godhead, the biblically correct term. Many will try to reference John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. If you read that you'll see the second part makes it clear that God the Father and Jesus Christ are 2 distinct beings. God the Father: the only true God as Jesus himself said in prayer Jesus Christ: the Son of God and our Lord our God. He's called our Lord our God because he's our connection to the Father Holy Ghost: Spirit of God It doesn't take council to know the nature of the Godhead when you have scriptures.

Early Christian Writings: New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, Church Fathers I figured some people would be interested so I thought I'd post this link.

Walter Martin: Educational Credentials

Good thing I know the real facts of Walter Martin. -Fairlds

Notice the term "mighty" is used, not "almighty". Keep this verse in mind: John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

It was Hinckley that said he received a revelation that the church and Benny Hinn are to work together. His methods are odd but it doesn't change the fact that he believes in Christ.

New Revelations Unite Mormons and Benny Hinn I came upon this article. For those that are unaware, Benny Hinn is a pastor on TCT. He's a really great preacher to watch and listen to. This is a 24/7 Christian channel so it's really good to watch. Apparently, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and Benny Hinn ministries are forming an alliance to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. He has some teachings that are very similar to ours.

Although that's a well and good theory, which was in fact what I thought before, the fact that the Holy Ghost is never referred to as "Almighty" is why I don't believe it's referencing the Godhead as a whole.

Don't you just love it when a dictionary uses the word in the definition?

Ok cool and I would definitely use the lol button.

I was referring to "God" being a title. The best example to give as to how God is a title is simply Jesus Christ's/Yahweh's name. When saying Jesus is our Lord our God, the "Lord" and "God" are capitalized because they're titles while the "J", "C", and "Y", in Yahweh, are capitalized because they're his name.

Since when did I say something isn't supposed to be capitalized?

If it wasn't Inspired by God then it definitely became a divine verse after Song of Solomon 6:10 was quoted by God twice.

I'm referring to when they say it in the trinity sense.

I think the best example to give is when trinitarians refer to Jesus Christ as God and the Holy Ghost as God they capitalize the "G" even though Jesus/Yahweh is the name of the savior.

Apparently people forget not all prophecies in Revelation have been fulfilled yet.

"4990 + 2011 = 7001 Note: When counting from an Old Testament date to a New Testament date, always subtract one year because there is no year zero, resulting in: 4990 + 2011 – 1 = 7000 years exactly. The year 2011 AD will be the 7000th year from the flood of Noah’s day. It will be the end of the length of time given to mankind to find grace in God’s sight. This means that the time to find refuge in Christ has grown extremely short. We are only a little ways off from the year 2011 AD! It is not unusual that God’s people have been given insight into the timing of the end of the world. Actually, the Bible tells us this is normally the case. In times past, God has warned His people of approaching periods of judgment: Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. JUDGMENT DAY: MAY 21st, 2011 We know that the year 2011 is the 7000th year from the flood. We also know that God will destroy this world in that year. But when in 2011 will this occur? The answer is amazing. Let’s take another look at the flood account in the book of Genesis: Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Faithful to His Word, God did bring the flood 7 days later in the 600th year, on the 17th day of the 2nd month of the calendar aligned with Noah’s lifespan. It was on this 17th day of the 2nd month that God shut the door on the ark, securing the safety of its occupants and also sealing the fate of everyone else in the world outside of the ark. They would all now certainly perish in that worldwide catastrophe. Genesis 7:16,17 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. Earlier it was mentioned that the church age came to an end in the year 1988 AD. It so happens that the church age began on the day of Pentecost (May 22nd) in the year 33 AD. Then 1955 years later, the church age came to its conclusion on May 21st, which was the day before Pentecost in 1988. The Bible teaches that the end of the church age would occur simultaneously with the beginning of the great tribulation: Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. On May 21st, 1988, God finished using the churches and congregations of the world. The Spirit of God left all churches and Satan, the man of sin, entered into the churches to rule at that point in time. The Bible teaches us that this awful period of judgment upon the churches would last for 23 years. A full 23 years (8400 days exactly) would be from May 21 st, 1988 until May 21st, 2011. This information was discovered in the Bible completely apart from the information regarding the 7000 years from the flood. Therefore, we see that the full 23-year tribulation period concludes on May 21st, 2011. This date is the exact day that the great tribulation comes to its end, and this is also the most likely landing spot for the 7000 years from the flood of Noah’s day. Keep in mind that God shut the door on the ark on the 17th day of the 2nd month of Noah’s calendar. We also find that May 21 st, 2011 is the end of the great tribulation period. There is a strong relationship between the 2nd month and 17th day of Noah’s calendar and May 21st, 2011 of our Gregorian calendar. This relationship cannot be readily seen until we discover that there is another calendar to consider, which is the Hebrew (or Biblical) calendar. May 21 st, 2011 happens to be the 17th day of the 2nd month of the Hebrew calendar. By this, God is confirming to us that we have a very correct understanding regarding the 7000-year timeline from the flood. May 21 st, 2011 is the equivalent date to the date when God shut the door on Noah’s ark. Through this and much other Biblical information, we find that May 21 st, 2011 will be the day when God takes up into heaven His elect people. May 21st, 2011 will be Judgment Day! This is the day God shuts the door of salvation on the world. In other words, in having the great tribulation period conclude on a day that identifies with the 17th day of the 2nd month of Noah’s calendar, God is without question confirming to us that this is the day He intends to shut forever the door of entry into heaven: John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The Bible is very clear that Christ is the only way into heaven. He is the only portal into the glorious kingdom of heaven. Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Once the door (Jesus) is shut on Judgment Day, there is no more salvation possible on earth: Revelation 3:7 …These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; The Bible teaches that on May 21st, 2011, only true believers elected by God to receive salvation will be raptured (taken up) out of this world to meet the Lord in the air and forever be with the Lord: 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. All the rest of mankind (billions of people) will be left behind to experience the awful judgment of God, a horrible period of 5 months of torment upon earth: Revelation 9:3-5 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. THE END OF THE WORLD: OCTOBER 21st, 2011 By God’s grace and tremendous mercy, He is giving us advanced warning as to what He is about to do. On Judgment Day, May 21st, 2011, this 5-month period of horrible torment will begin for all the inhabitants of the earth. It will be on May 21st that God will raise up all the dead that have ever died from their graves. Earthquakes will ravage the whole world as the earth will no longer conceal its dead (Isaiah 26:21). People who died as saved individuals will experience the resurrection of their bodies and immediately leave this world to forever be with the Lord. Those who died unsaved will be raised up as well, but only to have their lifeless bodies scattered about the face of all the earth. Death will be everywhere. The Lord also emphasizes these awful 5 months of destruction in the final verse of Genesis, chapter 7: Genesis 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. Five months after May 21st, 2011 will be October 21st, 2011. It so happens that October 21st of 2011 is also the last day of the Biblical Feast of Tabernacles (held simultaneously with the Feast of Ingathering). Tabernacles is held in the 7th month of the Hebrew calendar. The way God speaks of this feast in the Bible is very significant: Exodus 23:16 …the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. Exodus 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. The Feast of Tabernacles / Ingathering was said to be in the “end of the year” even though it was observed in the Hebrew 7th month, which is not the end of the year. The reason for this is that the spiritual fulfillment of this particular feast is the end of the world. The date October 21st, 2011 will be the last day of the Feast of Tabernacles and the last day of earth’s existence. The Bible describes what will take place on October 21st, 2011 in the following passage: 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Along with the entire world and universe, all those who have sinned against God and were left behind will likewise be consumed by this fire and be eternally destroyed: 2 Thessalonians 1:8,9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; On October 21st, 2011, God will completely destroy this creation and all of the people who never experienced the salvation of Jesus Christ along with it. The awful payment for their sinful rebellion against God will be completed by the loss of everlasting life. On October 21st, 2011, all of these poor people will cease to exist from that point forward. How sad that noble man, made in God’s image, will die like a beast and perish forever: Psalm 49:12 Nevertheless man being in honour abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish. There is much more to share. But please, dear soul, be warned that the time for salvation is drawing to a rapid close! God has given the world 7000 years from the flood, and now only a few days remain until we reach May 21st, 2011. Before we know it, time will have run completely out. The few grains of sand remaining in our hourglass will have elapsed and be gone forever. Although little time remains, there is still wonderful hope for anyone today: 2 Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.) It does not take God much time at all to save someone. In the last hours of a terribly sinful life, the thief on the cross was saved by Christ: Luke 23:42,43 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Our prayer is that you will receive this tract in the spirit of genuine concern in which it is being offered. As you read this pamphlet, please carefully consider the verses quoted from the Bible, for they are the Word of God, and as such, possess absolute power and authority. Our only hope for salvation is through the reading of the Word of God. It is now that the door of heaven (Christ) is open. It is now that God is saving a great multitude of people from around the world outside of the churches and congregations: Revelation 7:9,13,14 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; …What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. God saves through the hearing of the Word of God and no other way: Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Read the Bible with all your family (especially your children); and along with your reading, pray for mercy. Pray to the merciful and gracious God of the Bible that He might deliver you from the approaching destruction. We learn a little about God’s tremendous compassion in the book of Jonah. God also gave advance warning to the people of Nineveh regarding the destruction of their city: Jonah 3:4-9 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? God did not destroy the people of Nineveh. Although there is no possibility that God will not follow through on His intention to destroy the world in 2011, we can know from His dealings with the people of Nineveh that God is tenderhearted and full of mercy. This should encourage each one of us to go to God and beseech Him for His great mercy."

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