john doe

So, Winnie, have you seen the God Makers movies? What do you think of them? And how do you know that Mein Kampf contained lies if you never read it? Do you read the articles in Penthouse and Playboy? How do you know what those things contain unless you study them thoroughly? And just because issues 1-99 may contain things that may repulse you, what makes anyone think that #100 won't contain the keys to reaching heaven? The point is, we don't have to fully experience every thing in this world in order to judge them. We can use excerpts and other things that have come out about them and their sources in order to determine whether or not we wish to pursue them. You stated you choose not to put any credence in anything Hitler may have written even though he may have written many true statements in his book because his legacy is so evil. Those who choose not to see Moore's movies don't see any reason to value his opinion, at least in part because of the things he says and has produced in the past. If Moore wants anyone with an open mind to see his movies and to then form a judgement, maybe he ought to start out by being a little more responsible in his other endeavors. Maybe he should quit acting like such a cartoon character if he wants to be taken seriously. I, personally, tend to stop taking seriously someone who constantly says stupid things and when confronted by their stupid statements, continues to say them. There is an old saying, maybe you have heard it, it goes something like "by their fruits you may know them". Moore's fruits don't stack up to a level where I personally wish to pay him to hear them. The guy has proven over and over what his motives are, and they don't fall in line with my values. I choose not to contribute to his bank accout just to hear his distortions and outright lies. Just for the record, and this probably should be on another thread, I also believe in a woman's right to choose. She should be able to choose not have sex if she is not smart enough to know that pregnancy may result from doing so. She should be able to choose morality instead of whoring around whenever she feels like it. I believe that she should also choose to do the right thing and give her baby a chance to live in a loving home whenever possible. I believe that once a woman gets pregnant, she should choose not to be so selfish as to kill that life within her body just because she may be inconvienced by her choice to engage in sexual relations with someone who is not emotionally commited to their relationship. Pro-choice? Sure I am, just not in the same way that you think of it.

It's a propaganda movie put out by a guy with an axe to grind--- of course everything he says is true, for two reasons: (1) because he calls it a documentary, and documentaries by law are always 100% true, and (2) just because the government comes out with documents proving he is fundamentally wrong, doesn't mean a thing. OK, there's a third thing-- if Winnie believes it, it doesn't matter how wrong she is, she is still right.

Yeah, Duck, never mind the false premises the movie is based on, you just have to go see the movie to see how Moore strings it all together to see how true it is. If you can't see how evil George Bush is and how wonderful John Kerry is, we should all feel sorry for you. It's all right there if plain sight, you just need some wacko to interpret it correctly for you. This whole charade is about bringing the New World Order into power so that the self-proclaimed Royalty of the World can get rich off of the rest of us. Can't you see it? These guys are modern-day Gadiantons hiding in plain sight and the only ones who can see it are the ones who are enlightened enough to see it. Michael Moore is merely pointing out what we, the low-lifes of the world cannot see for ourselves without ignoring the truth. It's kind of like "that moldy bread is not so bad once you get past the fact that roaches have been eating it too". C'mon Duck, you need to get with it or when the "right" (or is that 'liberal'?) people get into power they may need to send you to a "re-education camp". Just follow the string of yarn like a good kitty and believe what Mikey says and you will be okay. Just believe everything you see on the movie screen and then you will know how wrong you are and how right (or is that 'left'?) Mike is.

What is CF?

Michael Moore makes people think? I don't see that happening. He makes movies denigrating and smearing others whom he doesn't like, and then calls it a "documentary". His movies are like the other undesirables (okay, celebs) who support the left-thinkers. They say things for shock value, but they say it for the benefit of those who already believe the way they do, not with any actual effort to "cross the aisle" and convince those who don't think that wacky. And if you only went to see it to see how he treated the FAA and Texas oil, you should be aware that most of what you were fed by Moore is tainted by his nutty agenda, not truth. You went with an "oppin" already formed, and you wanted to see your "oppin" given some validation by this crackpot. You came away satisfied, no matter how far off-base his movie and viewpoints are from the truth. Michael Moore's movies aren't for convincing people what the truth is, they are for the nut-jobs to look at and to justify their "oppins". Even here, when you are shown how his movie lied to you, you have the audacity to turn a blind eye to the truth, and won't accept it. You even insinuate how the poster who showed the error of your thinking has some sort of brain malfunction. It's like the proud mother of the new kid in the marching band said: "look, everyone's out of step except my little boy!"

Wasn't Edwards the one who accused Kerry of being the world's best flip-flop artist? And now they're best buddies? Are they still doing gay marriages in Mass.? Maybe they could make it legal and really lock up the liberal vote.

Ahhh, the truth FINALLY comes out!

I say we annex Canada, deport the French-speakers and see how long it takes for the rest to notice.

I don't have any suggestions for making primary easier, but I have to ask: Who brings ice cream sandwiches to church to share with littles kids in other wards? Is this a common occurrance in your area? Okay, I do have a suggestion-- maybe you could try to get the parents more involved in their childrens' behavioral problems. Primary should not be viewed by parents as a babysitting service, but as a place where children can learn about the gospel on their own level. If the child has behavioral problems, make sure the parent knows the child will go back to them until their child can behave without causing problems. If the parent would like their child to attend primary, perhaps they could sit with their child as necessary to help settle them down.

I would be uncomfortable referring to Pres. Hinckley (or any other prophet of God for that matter) as "holy father" or "his holiness". The title suggests some sort of demi-god status, something which the prophets don't claim to have. I'd just settle for having the world refer to him as "prophet, seer, and revelator".

I never said Winnie is not a strong person. It was she who blamed her poor spelling skills on the U.S. education system. Sounded to me like she was looking for something to blame instead of actually going out and trying to better herself by learning to spell and write properly. Which IS a tactic of liberals, a group she proudly associates with. Liberals have this habit of telling people how things are not their fault, they just need more money from the citizens so the government can ease their pain. And the best way to do that is to tax the people who actually provide a valuable product or service and give that money to non-productive people who won't make themselves better. As far as learning from her, I'm sure I could, if only her posts were readable and made some sort of sense. There are many wonderful people out there, but the ones who make an impact are the ones who can communicate effectively with others. I agree with Snow's comments on this one. "Handouts"? Where did I mention that?

On the other hand, she kind of does somewhat prove the theory that liberals pander to the uneducated. Being a victim of the poor American education system, it is only natural that she would buy into the idea that now that she must support those who will tell her how bad life is for her and how much better her life would be if the rest of us would compensate her for it. Or, maybe the Canadian socialist system that she so proudly supports doesn't have an adult education program.

Well, Rodney may not know anything of value about religion, but he sure has good taste in music.

I think it would be easier to make a response if I could understand fully what you're trying to say. Not offense intended, but could anyone please interpret the following quote from your post? I think you are trying to say a lot of things but fail to get your point across due to your poor spelling and syntax. I did kind of see a semi-clear question about WMD's and the supposed lack of their discovery. Perhaps you have missed this in the liberal newscasts lately, but a few days ago it was reported by UN inspectors that numerous banned Iraqi WMD components had been found in scap yards in neighboring countries. The report apparently stated that the components had been shipped out of Iraq before, during, and after the American-led bid to oust Saddam. And maybe you also missed the report a couple months ago about the soldier exposed to a bomb containing sarin gas. Or maybe you, as well as the major (liberal) media, choose to ignore or quickly forget these things, because they tend to go against your preconceived biases. Let me ask a few questions, and please try to answer concisely. Knowing what you know now, do you still wish that the US had never gone to Iraq and that Saddam were still in power? Do you think your answer would be different if you or some of your relatives had previously held political views that did not agree with Saddam? Can anyone tell us how many innocent people Saddam and his regime were responsible for killing and/or raping? Is that number comparable to what the US has done to innocent Iraqi people? I don't know what rags you read in Canada, but I haven't heard of any credible news agency reporting that Saddam and Osama were married. I always figured both of those guys as heterosexuals, but I guess they could possibly have more skeletons in their closets than most mass murderers.

Maybe it is a sign that you need to get a life instead of constantly posting here.

Please, try to reread my post just a little slower. I didn't state that anti's have no morals, just that they have no moral compunction to obey the rules. Well, if you're trying to be a friend, you're sure going about it the wrong way. Maybe you could lighten up on your incessant criticism of Mormonism once in a while.

I'm torn. Although I do agree that technically this is covered by the site TOS, I think Snow has some valid concerns. It does seem that the non-members usually feel free to take cheap- and pot-shots at the LDS here. We all know that the professed LDS believers are more likely to not respond in kind when attacked by the anti's, mainly because we have a religion which encourages us to try to get along with others and most of us try somewhat to live our religion. The anti's, it seems, have no moral compunction to obey the rules, they just say what they want without worrying that they might have offended others here. This automatically puts the LDS at a disadvantage if we are the only ones willing to obey the rules. One thing that bothers me a little is that when someone has a post that someone else finds objectionable, the moderation process becomes secretive and decisions to delete or edit are usually made without any kind of discussion between the offender, the moderator and the complainant. In the actions that have involved me, the posts were deleted without my prior knowledge or input or any other asking for clarification of what was meant. This whole behind-the-scenes moderating thing should be opened up, in my opinion, and the participants should at least have a voice in defending their positions before actions are taken against them. A system similar to what ZLMB uses might be a way to open things up a bit if handled properly.

What a crybaby.

No, I just call 'em the way I see'em. You have to admit, there are a lot of 'chick' topics on this board. I'm not a 'chick', so they don't really appeal to me.

Thanks, I haven't left, it's just that there are many demands on my time right now so I usually only post when I REALLY feel a need to say something. Plus, unfortunately, and this is no disrespect to anyone here, many of the topics here don't grab my attention enough for me to bother with them.

Maybe it's me, but I just don't see all this contention everyone claims is so rampant here. Are there hidden threads where everyone swears at each other that I don't know about? Am I missing something here? Sure, I see the occasional jerk spouting off and using vulgarities, but this is rare. Maybe it's just because most of you people are chicks and take offense so easily. As a hetero male, I just don't see all this fighting everyone keeps talking about.

I've found that you get out what you put in. No effort translates to no gain. I always try to bring up points and ideas that normal people don't usually think about to stimulate discussion when I get bored, that way I have to be on the ball and ready to defend my point, but it also challenges me to think about what I really believe in as well.

This I'm dying to see... Which one? Peace actually speechless or the title page quote?

Hi, I've been lurking for a little while before posting, checking which way the winds blow here. I probably won't be a prolific writer because many topics here either don't interest me enough to say anything or I can see that my counterpoints will likely fall on deaf ears. But I did see this topic and decided to pop up momentarily. I have had all my kids' births covered under my health insurance through my work. We had IHC, which covered the normal pregnancy 100% and we paid 20% of the bills for C-section surgeries. My first child was in NICU for 5 days and we paid $2000 total for the pregnancy, birth, hospital and doctor bills. Besides that, the Baby Your Baby program would get you the services free or nearly free if you didn't have insurance. We now have Altius, which is probably not as good insurance as IHC, but it is still decent coverage when it is needed. The bad thing about Altius is that there is a $250 deductible per person ($100 family) before the coverage kicks in. But if you have an accident-prone child you hit that pretty quick.