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This is what I'm addressing also. Your first statement is an ad-hominem against him -- "flat earther" -- as if that justifies any attack against him. Due to this belief he has become an easy target (coupled with his vaccination decisions). If you listened to his words you will recognize he said multiple times, I'm not promoting anything that you say I am (paraphrased). He even called out the journalist who was seeking to stir the pot. Employer, that is part of being and living in America. The freedom of thought/belief. Imagine if every employer started fining and suspended employees due to a different belief? When you talk of lunacy or being dense, that is a good example of it. A good and honest employer would say, "We don't endorse Kyrie Irving's post. We respect his right to have his beliefs." Ended it there. There is no difference if a non-member posted the Book of Mormon, and then an employer suspended his employee for such because the Book of Mormon talks about color, one good and one bad. Although he doesn't believe in the Book of Mormon but there are aspects in their that vibe with him. He's not promoting everyone to be a member of the Church. He's not promoting that everyone should be baptized and that all principles in there are correct (from his perspective). Is that a burden you will also gleefully carry?

Yep, it appears so, "It’s worse." -- Oh my gosh, its worse, worse, and worse. He was given multiple opportunities to explain himself which he did -- not that he didn't. If people were actually listening. "He doubled down." -- The poor guy did what someone with a backbone does. But, but, but -- "It's worse"! "But, it’s a blessing in disguise because he showed his true colors." -- A blessing in disguise, he showed his true colors! That he believes he is an original Hebrew? Those true colors. That he doesn't allow media and the woke crowd to turn yellow. Yep, yep, looks like you are, what did you say, "A blessing in disguise and showing your true colors." Yes, i think that is about right.

Yep, and this experience with Kyrie is a perfect example of the adage stick and stones. It is one thing, although I don't agree with Kyrie, that I have liked about him. He doesn't let the "woke" mob intimidate him. He wasn't intimidated with the woke mob during the force of the vaccine. He still isn't intimidated by a woke newcast who want to demonize him. So, it isn't really a shocker that he is a target by our woke media. I agree with personal responsibility. As one media outlet mentioned paraphrased, "the interesting thing is I have never heard of this book Kyrie posted. I would have never heard about either because I'm not a follower on Kyrie's twitter account. But now I know all about this book." With all the antisemitism that has come from the left and woke crowd (The Jews are to blame ideology), it is amazing they are attacking Kyrie for the same things they have done and continue to do. That's a valid point Carb. Where do we draw the line?

You mean he explained a few times what he meant, or did you miss that? What true colors, that he believes he is an original Hebrew? That because you watch a specific document doesn't mean you believe or endorse everything in it? Did you even take time to listen to his responses? I can already see Godless didn't. No one is making him a hero, but there are people who want to demonize him -- as it appears with yourself.

He doesn't need to explain his post. He can post what he wants, let the whiners go back to bed. He could have been given thousands of opportunities and still denied it. There are tons of books in books stores that are indecent. There are tons of books, videos, etc... that people endorse that are antisemtic. Giving excuses doesn't change what it is. "No one is going to confuse an ASL user for a white supremacist." Until it happens. Because we have never seen another human being take something innocent and twist it, right? The OK sign has nothing to do with white power, which is the obvious example of the sign for the number 9 and the sign for OK. Context? You're providing excuses to justify another narrative.

The fact that he is even thinking he needs to pay for a tweet $500K is 1984 type scenario. Whether I agree with this speech or not, doesn't require him to pay $500K. He is only paying because of the woke outrage. So, in this case, we will have to agree to disagree. Definitely in agreement with the other list. I understand what 1984 was about, and this is a good sign of it. When a person feels they need to feel sorry for a book they tweet, such that they need to pay $500K, yes that is a form of oppression. It is controlling what you say, which ultimately controls what you think, and then what you feel you can say and do. EDIT: He is now being suspended because his "apology" or non-apology wasn't good enough (he $500K donation wasn't a good enough sorry)? This is exactly what 1984 is about, and the same with your posts about banks. If you don't fall inline you can't bank with us. PayPal trying to get away with the $2500 fee for misinformation -- or what they claim as misinformation (Biden's son laptop comes to mind with FB and Twitter). This woke society is getting more and more ridiculous. To add to this the Brooklyn Nets statement, "We have decided that Kyrie will serve a suspension without pay until he satisfies a series of objective remedial measures that address the harmful impact of his conduct and the suspension period served is no less than five games.” If this isn't 1984 in action...then I assume we can agree to disagree.

Interesting world, and idealogy in America, we are now living within now. Somehow Kyrie is having to pay/donate $500,000 due to a tweet that showed a book that is sold on Amazon. It's also interesting that he is the one being attacked, but not so much. He is outspoken on topics he believes and doesn't let certain things control him. So, it's not surprising. How does a person get into a difficult situation with a tweet, while Amazon remain unscathed? It's pretty obvious. Also, from what I could tell the OK sign is now racist and a sign for white power, which is also the same sign used to sign the number 9 in sign language. Some white power in the "deaf" culture now. It will be interesting to see how more closely we will follow 1984 in not so many years.

I think this question is pretty clear to know the answer. If prophetic advice has not changed, for those of us who have heard the counsel, that counsel (guideline or rule) remains in force. I do find it interesting how some members think that a new edition of something, if not explicitly mentioning something, that this somehow negates previous counsel. Overall, with the FSY, we need to remember that we are a world-wide Church with many different cultures. Are R rated movies now OK because we no longer hear about R rated movies? No. The counsel still remains for those of us who have heard the counsel, and for those of us who live in a culture that has the rating system. There are other countries though that don't have the same rating system for movies. In that case, it is wise that the Church then doesn't specify a rating system as it can not be applied across all cultures, countries, the Church is among. Easy example who a young man from Norway, who watched all these movies that were R rated. When he asked if the girls in the room had watched them they replied, "No, those are R rated movies. We don't watch R rated movies." The young man's response was, "What's an R rated movie"? In this case, proper guidelines and principles are the best route. This also then puts the onus back on parents. The Lord puts the onus on parents to teach their children proper guidelines and rules regarding principles of righteousness. The scriptures regarding a parents responsibility are now made more clear. What rules or guidelines do we set in our own home, which coincides with what you said -- we need to be able to teach such that our children can feel the Holy Spirit and gain the conviction themselves. My oldest daughter loved this change, but that is because she sees herself as a responsible individual who can pray and make decisions for herself. That may be true, but we still have guidelines. Example, one night she came downstairs and was about to watch a movie. It was R rated. Both my wife and I simple said, "I'm sorry you can't watch that in our home." She was not pleased. She had done all the research. She knew why it was R rated. She knew some PG-13 were worse. She made her plea, by which both of us said, "Sorry, no." She was not pleased. I explained to her, we believe in the Lord's Church. We believe in his prophets. This is counsel they provided. We keep that counsel. The counsel has not changed for those of us with the movie rating system. We also said, once out of our home you will need to make that decision for yourself, but while in our home these are the rules.

I'm reminded of my reading with regards to Hebrew teachings, or at least what I read. It is common in the Book of Mormon, especially, with regards to exaggeration (or what may have been according to who wrote the words at that time). In the Book of Mormon, how often do we read the following type of phrase pertaining to the number of deaths in the war, and then the next war something is said, and then the next war something similar is said -- exaggeration pertaining to the current war. This could be true according to the time, the view of the author. This could be according to the generation also. In that generation, this was the case. Or simply a phrase to draw attention to the magnitude of the casualties, rather than trying to pin down an exact number. When I read this statement, I think it is the same. Adam obviously saw the Lord again and was brought back into his presence. This would mean he would have seen the Lord the same way as the Brother of Jared. As already mentioned though, we don't know if anyone when watching something that the Lord was doing that they saw the Lord to a degree. So, in that sense, the record could easily mean exactly what it said. As far as we know, those who saw the Lord saw him. There was no partial vision. This highlights the power of faith, that if we have enough faith -- the veil becomes thin. Remembering the words of the Brother of Jared -- if you "touch" these stones. His faith was strong, and equal to knowledge (so to speak) that the finger of the Lord was seen -- just the finger because that is what he requested. Or simply another Hebraic exaggeration to make a point. Let's look at the English language. The word favorite. Literally, a favorite means a favorite, but how often do we use the word favorite for multiple items. I was one day teaching a seminary class and mentioned how this is my favorite scripture by which a student then said, "You have a lot of 'favorite' scriptures." I laughed and said, "Yes, I do."

This is a lot of assumptions here. Offering less doesn't always mean you will not get the Best talent. There are a lot of people who apply for jobs that open with the Church due to Church stability, especially in the tech field. If someone came up to you in Church and said, happy birthday, they could have been notified by someone else who knows it was your birthday. You are making the assumption it was through the Church online. The average lay member doesn't have access to private information like that. If they have it, it is because they are in a position that allows them to view birthdays. I use to be able to view the birthday of my home teaching/ministering families. I am unable to do so anymore. So, if I know there birthday it is because I have asked them, or asked someone who knows the family more than I do (especially if it is a family that never opens the door). Let me provide you perspective with the Church's talent and position in the tech field. When I applied for the Church I was applying for a tech II position. As I interviewed, a tech II position in the Church is more like a tech III position anywhere else. They have enough pull, and engineers applying that people are willing to take a lesser pay for the security and a good atmosphere to work in. Needless to say, at that time I wasn't even seen as a candidate for the position but anywhere else I was. EDIT: Also, if you have given your number, year of birth, etc... (what we call private information), if you are part of any social media platform and do not click the button (if available) "Do not sell my personal information" -- understand all these platforms are selling your private information to third parties (especially if they are affiliated with any other group). I doubt, but could be wrong (as I don't know the ins and outs of this with the Church), but I doubt they are selling our personal information to third parties.

My first question, does Eve say "it was only through transgression"? I believe Eve says something a little different than "it was only through transgression..." I believe our Lord's perfection implies another state, otherwise he also would have been "lost and fallen" due to being the son of someone that was fallen. We could argue his Father allowed for the other state, but can a fallen person produce anything else besides being "fallen" -- in this regard (this verse)? I'm one that personally believes, transgression was not the only way to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of God's children.

Local of course, because there is no way fire could cover the whole earth, I mean look at all the "water!"

True statement. We must keep our eyes open, and our ears toward heaven. These works will start to become more obvious for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

That's an intriguing quote I have not come across. I'm not a believer that the world will be covered by "fire" as we know it, like a camp fire or forest fire. What type of "fire" will the glory of God create? That is more the fire that will come. Would like to know about the clarification provided.

More signs relating to what has been discussed about banks...PayPals most recent move and direction.

This is what I am wondering also. Is the manifestation a manifestation of more miracles in the individual lives of members? Could it be connected to what @laronius mentioned also. Will an increase in temple attendance increase our ability to have miracles in our lives?

That is a great point. Then is part of that "power" an increase in revelation -- hearing the voice of the Lord?

That's a great thought. What do you think will be in the "increase" of the power of God in the saints? Righteousness will increase?

What comes to your mind regarding the following from President Nelson,

That is what I was wondering. I was reading the article trying to find what he said or what he did that made you feel he was announcing himself as "the Beast." I knew what you said, and I was agreeing with that part. I would identify him as a puppet of "the Beast." I'm not studied enough to really draw a conclusion as to who/what "the Beast" is. At the moment, I accept "the Beast" to be part of the great and abominable church and the mother of harlots. The main identifier would be those who fight against the "saints" of God. In this case, weaponizing a government agency in the manner shared is in fact a sign of "the Beast" and the great and abominable church. That I also would agree with. I also agree that it is a subtle threat to those who oppose, or would oppose, the desires and actions of the great and abominable church (particularly against "Saints"). I don't disagree with you. I believe, personally, we are coming to a time where we will start seeing -- once again -- Church leaders being attacked in a similar fashion. The Church will need to continue teaching truth -- the laws of God as defined by God. These truths are in direct opposition to the whore of all the earth. As this organization gains more power we will sadly see things -- as you describe -- much worse. Another sign, as already discussed in a previous thread, are those involved in January 6th. If the reports are correct and accurate, the constitution is being broken (the law which is to protect) with how they are dealing with these individuals. Biden fully coming out and saying MAGA supporters are the greatest threat to our "Republic" (he even used the right name) should also be a subtle sign. We can go into more over the past two years with Covid and see the signs there also.

What are you referring to regarding the "announcement"? If anything, he is more a puppet. The guy can't even think straight. Hard to be the beast when you truly can't act like one. He definitely is part of the great and spacious building, the mother of harlots, etc... Weaponizing government agencies, against political opponents, would definitely be a sign for this organization.

We already see this with Big Tech (Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc...). Facebook, you can only hold any view "Facebook" esteems as right. If not, flagged, suspended, etc... Google, no more talking about the ineffectiveness of mask wearing, and many other things. Even if you are presenting logical facts from research that shows otherwise. Nope, you can't talk, you can't share, we control the narrative of what is right. Facebook in cahoots the FBI that Zuckerberg revealed regarding potential misinformation. Wasn't it the government, Biden's entourage who said they are working privately with Facebook and getting information -- or something to that nature.

Seems to me it follows "And he shall plant in the hearts of the children the promises made to the fathers, and the hearts of the children shall turn to their fathers. If it were not so, the whole earth would be utterly wasted at his coming”.

I agree. Reminds me of the Tree of Life vision. I thought I had learned all I could from it. Then I decided to memorize the whole chapter. Upon doing so I learned six new principles of truth. Needless to say, I don't say anymore I have learned everything I can from it.

I'm more inclined to accept it is the symbol in the parable and the allegory. They both represent an actual event, a truth, that is likened to good and evil. I don't think this detail is meant to be a contrast, but a reality of what happens to all of us individually and collectively. The allegory and parable both represents the world and the Church. It can be anyone who moves to Utah surrounded by those who have the gospel. It can be someone who moves to California among members of the Church. It also could reference missionary work among different villages, cities, states, and countries. It can be a member of the Church who moves to Afghanistan for work, as they are grafted in the weakest part of the vineyard. Even among the "elect" there are tares. At the moment, I have a family member who appears to be a tare, but who still might be wheat, as he could change/repent and come unto Christ once again. I see the wheat and tares similar to a non-ripe olive fruit. Can you tell a good olive from a bad olive before they are ripe? I'm not a vineyard keeper but I would think it is much like a green tomato. Some turn red, while some remain green (which do not produce any fruit). But if we were to simply start picking (from human judgement) the green ones we think are bad, we may loose some good fruit. The parable and allegory are showing the mercy of the Lord in a different way, and his justice.