JimmiGerman

D & C 42:18

Then see Doctrine & Covenants 64:7 (what you surely have at your hands by chance ...it depends on the deed).

I wish I could have given her this answer and speak the way you can.

-first post deleted, Jimmi- All right, but I couldn't stop myself to mention it.

First: I'm not very much interested in debating the dogma of your church. Second: I mean all the crimes, i.e. the "crusade" against the Albingensers in South France around the year 1200. Pope Innozenz III. himself initiated the "crusade" against those Gnostics in South France, because in the eyes of your church they were heretics, and I would like to call it back to your memory that alone in the town of Béziers on Juli 22, in the year 1209, more than 20.000 (!) people, men, women, children, had been brutally massacred. That was the first European genozid, in this case against a Christian community. But that was only the prelude to further greater things innitiated by your church: the inquisition. And in the course of the centuries thousands and thousands of innocent women and men became their victims. That institution, claiming they are Christians, has been an institution that should be hold responsible for uncountable crimes against humans and the humanity by the centuries.

God knows what they still are hiding. I would guess they want to hide and suppress all modern revelations and manuscripts.

I'm some kind of sure you wouldn't. Anyway, we share our opinion about feathers. They aren't a good look for me, either. Astonishing similarities we have...

"The group allows the participation of openly gay boys but continues to prohibit gay and lesbian adults from serving as leaders." I think that's more than enough. Should they also allow homosexuals to serve as leaders, to give them a fine place for sexual abuse?

Or will you remain a nobody...?

I remember the whole story that started in 2008 (Prop. 8, pro: 52,24 %, against: 47,76 %). And there is one fact: the majority of the voters in California were against the same sex marriage. That was the official result. Quite interesting to see how supporters of homosexuality and some activists have been succesful in undermining by appeals the will of the majority of the citizens of the State of California. I wouldn't call it democracy, if the US constitution supposedly doesn't allow such a vote on such a (important) subject. A Supreme Court can easily transform into some kind of a gravedigger of democracy if it ignores the will of the majority of the people and tells them what they are allowed to vote about and what they are not. And just to mention it: the Mormons with their 2 percent religious portion there in California have hardly played a significant roll. And I've seen many people (i.e. in German forums) who were surprised when I told them about the only 2 percent Mormons there in California, and they understood it was nothing else but anti-Mormon propaganda.

It doesn't surprise me. I'm personally convinced, many Californian judges are not only friends of homosexuals but homosexual themselves. (Remember Proposition 8). In my opinion one should pay attention in the future to the fact, that there is a certain parity between homosexual judges and normally oriented ones. Therefore the state or the authorities would have to put those sexual inclinations publicly. And it should be possible to disqualify a judge of suspected bias if he's a homosexual and has to judge about cases around homosexuality.

"So why not converting...?" Dakota medicine man Blue Feather would ask you... (Maybe he looks a bit angry, but not all Dakota are like that, not even the South Dakota. Yelo!)

But what if there were not so many elements that have remained value...? Okay - I see the point. Then you will not be restored. And fifty-fifty ...? And if there have remained 50 percent good value and 50 percent bad value ...? Let the coin decide then ...?

You are surprising me, because you are right. The process of breathing and the metabolism of our body swaps out an uncountable number of atoms. With one single breath we take up approx. 10 high 22 atoms of our universe, a number of 22 zeros. The substantial amount of raw material from our universe spreads till the very back corners of our body, till the cerebral cells, heart cells, nephric cells etc. while exhaling approx. the same number of atoms that come from our body. So we breath out literally parts of our heart and our brain (some people more, some less ) and our nephric fabric etc.

A good comparison. Maybe you're right to say that it's (only) our Spirit Bodies that will be resurrected, and maybe that makes things even a bit easier, seen from the technological point of view. I remember, when I was a very young boy, my parents bought me my first bicycle. But I was so much ashamed of the training wheels, and the other boys (and not to forget the girls...) were laughing about me, so that I was learning very quickly to ride on the bike and to get rid of the training wheels. I've never learned something so quickly any more.

Even if I can accept that our body changes, that metabolism and growth takes place, and that everything and everybody must also stand in a clearly defined temporal context (and here the Americans, in this regard, with their grammar and tenses, are a little bit ahead in comparison to us ), I'm tending to the conviction, that the genetic code and the DNA show firmly the same patterns since our birth. We still don't know enough about matter and quantum phenomena, and, therefore, we should be very careful calling God's abilities to restore something into question. And, by the way, I think that God would consider our individual wishes - within some certain limits, of course - at the process of the final resurrection or restoration, because somewhere everyone has a picture of himself, and we would remember with pleasure how we once were, with maybe a certain image of how we were once, when the sun still was standing for us in the zenith of our life...

Sorry, but this doesn't answer his question completely. I think we should bring the aspect of an inconceivable higher technology in here, and see God Allmighty as a supernatural power acting beyond our technological and scientific knowledge. From my point of view, and many sections of D & C and the words of Joseph Smith have inspired me to see it like this, God Allmighty has the knowledge, the power, and the technology to restore everything. So our physical bodies may go to dust, but what does it mean? As I've mentioned before, the atoms, or let's even talk about subatomic particles and pure energy, remain. "Dust" is matter, and from matter and energy God can create or restore everything, with the efficiency and unbelievable arithmetic ability of a quantum computer which works on the other side of our image of temporal events (see quantum coherence); that's what I am convinced of. And, at least, don't forget Joseph Smith's word, that all spirit is matter, only fine and more purely...

When I'm talking about God, I certainly do it in the meaning of a supernatural power, with technological abilities surely comprising methods and applications far beyond our imagination (i.e. "creation"). For me, God exists in a higher dimensional multiverse (instead of "universe"), and for him the four-dimensional spacetime (three-dimensional space plus velocity and "time") is maybe only a lower part of a multi dimensional super space (however, "space" wouldn't be the right word). As former spiritual beings in God's sphere or multiverse we have been reduced (from a higher-dimensional "spiritual" being) to experience a lower existence in a mortal body. This, according to the Mormons' belief, is part of God's great plan of redemption. I would also call it refinement. During our mortal existence we have to make choices. This is also part of the Mormon belief. After we will have been gone through this mortal status, with new experiences, knowledge, insights, worthy and deserving the next step of an eternal progress God Allmighty has planned for us, during a certain time in the Ghost World, a spiritual form of existence, after we've lost our physical body, we will be expecting God's final judgement, and maybe become resurrected as immortal beings, with a physical body and our soul (the spiritual part) united and inseparable combined forever and eternally. Coming back to your question I would say, this will be some kind of a new body; improved, without former handycaps, calamities or disabilities, but in the same shape and with the same physiognomics and characteristics as before. You've mentioned "cremation", but this means nothing for God. He can delete and restore. This is part of his allmightyness. Of course we can't see how it works, but could a man of, let's say, the 15th century once imagine men were landing on the Moon? Or even on Mars? What a radio was? And could a man of the, let's say, beginning 1950s imagine what a computer was and how people communicated via internet...? God is billions and billions of years ahead, eons and eons. It's always difficult for me to understand or accept peoples' naive questions concerning God if, besides, the questioner ignores God's allmightyness and inconceivable technological abilities. And if you say "technology" isn't the right word, I would like to ask you for a better one. But in this connection or sense the word "technology" should not be understood within the frame of its common meaning according to human technological achievements. In German we make a difference between das selbe... and das gleiche... and this means the same is not always exactly the same. Therefore, a duplicate wouldn't be the same as the original. But imagine God's technology would be able to restore a human being, his physical body, with the same atoms or subparticles and molecular structures, and under further aspects we don't know and we can't imagine, so that it would be the same person (united with his soul) again. And would you say there is no eternity only because a human mind can't imagine there was one...?

You've given the answer by yourself. Your doctrine is based on events that once were culminating during the life of Christ on Earth. The Mormon belief is based on modern revelations given by God the Allmighty and the teachings of the ever lasting Gospel and the living Christ, revealed by their prophets. However, your doctrine denies the possibility of present and modern revelations consequently. What Mormons believe in is a great divine plan and the individual freedom of decision, the freedom to return, to get through this life according to the divine laws and commandments God the Allmighty has revealed to Joseph Smith, the prophet, his successors and the present authorities of a re-established church. And it's even more than that. I would call it a Christian doctrine and a life philosophy or a lifestyle.

Provided we are not silly sheep.

And what makes you so sure you can share in God's divine nature? What would you think is the first step, therefore? And who can look behind the curtain? Who will say the Catholics are able to do it possibly better than the Mormons? Where are the divine revelations, the spirit of the Gospel, where is the living Christ to be found? In your doctrine...? You are concerned about the mediation of Christ and his "distinct purpose in the afterlife"...? Be sure at least he will be in your neigbourship, then.

Peace!

But if we keep the lemons, as recommended in the signature, they are no longer free lemons. So let the lemons free and let them fly! Peace!

Hi! Do you wear a Stetson there in Texas or flowers in your hair?

Maybe the same as between "mordorbund" and "Mordorbund"... provided that we would be ready to let the etymology and the meaning of the word "morðor" in Old English completely disregarded, of course.