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Ya I know what your talking about. I read a book called the divine center by steven covey and he talks about different maps. And that we need to preach the gospel according to anotehr persons map. I know I was taught acertain way of reading scriptures, but Ive broken away from that and I found for myself that the church was true. I didnt want to have blind faith ya know. I understand the scriptures sited in those links and I know how they can resemble reincarnation, but I also know the bible says we die once. Eh.. I like the quote by our prophet. "If the church is true than it is the most important work that has ever been done, if it isnt then it is the biggest fraud of man kind" Something to that affect. Good thing Im set in my heart and mind. Thanks Jason. :)

Thought you would have stayed in a Marriott? Maybe too expensive?? Doesn't Mr. M give you guys a deal? I love how Mormon theology evolves. When I was a young boy, Kolob was a recording company...now its a planet/star! Let me know when you decide. Maybe when you work out who God is you can work out where he lives....everlasting burnings??? B) Well the word kolob was brought up before records existed. SO we've been the same all these years. THanks though lol.

Jason. I love that link. It was very well rounded. Though te scriptures he cited seem to have either nothing to do with resurection or reincarnation or its speaking of the multiple lives we have (premortal, mortal, post mortal, exaltaion.)

I did the calculations myself. First we see that quetzolcoatl was born on 1 reed or 1 ben. http://mexicodesconocido.com/english/histo...&idpag=1947 1 reed and 1 ben are the same. Look here. http://www.jaguar-sun.com/calendr.html The long count date of april, 6, 0 AD (christs birth) would be. 7.17.17.17.13 or 1 ben/reed 6mak http://www.michielb.nl/maya/calendar.html Check yourself using the converter. Or do the calculations yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_..._Count_calendar So we got the first part 1reed/1ben is the birth. Now if you fiddle with the calculations or the calculator than you will see that it only says 1ben/1reed when it is 0 AD and on the 6th of april. The mac will stay if you change the day itll just change the number around(1mac, 2 mac, 3mac, etc), but if anything else changes than the 1ben/1reed changes. Ok Im done lol

Youll see in the link I gave you that he speaks of similarities in more that one life I.E. premortal, mortal, spirit world, exaltation. He does say that there is no scriptural support for reincarnation though (atleast the traditional view of it) I love how you think though Jason. Its very just. :) Thanks, Mike.

Even though Joseph had very little formal education, he was a very intelligent boy, and it is my opinion he was a genius. He was an amazing man any way you look at it. Joseph was insistent that the Saints pursue their educations. In addition, he was fascinated by languages. John S. Tanner wrote: "In this effort to seek learning by study, Joseph himself led the way. I am frankly in awe of the Prophet’s assiduous efforts to pursue learning by study amidst all the persecutions and other demands on his time and energy. He studied many subjects but had a particular passion for languages. Entry after entry in his journal finds him studying Latin, Greek, German, and especially Hebrew. He was an avid participant in the Kirtland Hebrew School, which met in the west room of the third floor of the temple.12 On Feb. 17, 1836, Joseph exclaimed in his journal: My soul delights in reading the word of the Lord in the original, and I am determined to pursue the study of the languages, until I shall become master of them, if I am permitted to live long enough." The article is very good. It is from the Fall 2006 issue of BYU Magazine. One of the Great Lights of the World Emma I believe Yeshua is Jesus It was the name he used in Jerusalem.You biblical scholars, am I correct? If not, please let Vinny know! Emma Oh yes he was very intelligent. I know he tried to learn hebrew so he could read the original bible. Im merely saying he wasnt smart enough to know what hadent been discovered lol. Special relativity. Oh and thankyou for telling me who yeshua is. Im still lost though lol (not about the name, but what x said.)

I guess I kinda believe in it to an extant. It seems like a possibility I guess. The church took a stance. http://lds.org/portal/site/LDSOrg/menuitem..._&hideNav=1 You are DEFINATELY half way there. :)

Who is Yeshua. I think Im missing something?

I was kinda responding for traveler. I will let him do that, but I was explaining how I know. I dont think that you demean my testimony its just that you asked "What makes you think your right?" I know you are a supporter, but also understand that I am a missionary and Im trying to convert you. Alright you caught me lol.

Ok vinny. So basically what I'm saying is that if you're destined for the Terrestrial Kingdom or the Telestial Kingdom, and you don't like it there, then you can choose to come back to earth, and try again. Isn't that good news? Oh yes. Thats definately good news. I cant know that its true though. LIke I dont get a very good feeling about it. Ive thought the same thing before. Ive actually heard from missionaries that eventually everyone might make it to the celestial kingdom, but it takes a lot. It is so much harder if you dont just decide to now. I know that in the spirit world we recieve anothere chance and that we will here the gospel in fullness.. To me if you reject it than, than you have problems lol and arent a worthy spirit. I would just do my best now and try not to worry about having to come back to this hell lol. Joseph smith said the lowest glory was enough for us to kill ourselves and go there now lol. P.S. I do see were your coming from and it does make sense, but only to an extant. Like analogies. We need to find a middle ground because god isnt mercifull with no strictness and he isnt strct with no mercy. So you are right to an extant. :)

Thanks for that. It makes sense that he is not gonna just let us into heaven, but that he has mercy for the repentant.

Ya I've done my research. Still special relativity wasnt around in the 1800's Thankyou.

Yep lol. Sure em momma. LOL

lol. I dont have a problem *eye twitches* Theres nothing wrong with me... with me.... with me..... with me.... *head twitches*

I read it all. It was more of a retorical question because some have "proof" of it. I have no proof. Like I've said before. I dont want any or atleast I dont care. I gave you what I like to say compliments religion and science. The rest is up to the spirit. YOu have to look at what's happened in your life and see the hand of God. It shouldnt be proven. I did think I made an interesting argument thugh lol P.S. what about the birth dates?

Emma know body is sure, but the people that have seen god himself and that would be the prophets and special witnesses. The spirit says it. I have no proof. I dont want any. I just know.

LOL. HI my name is Mikel, I Havent been inernet free for longer than 3 hrs.

All you can do is hope I guess. The only way to know truth is by what the spirit tells you. :)

I havent been able to get any Pm's from you sorry. Did you look at the calculations I did for the birth date. I understand what you mean with the sources :) I dont understand how you know that it would take a talespin if your not well versed though? I learned about the message of quetzlcoatl in 6th or 7th grade and it sounded like jesus (Im saying the original is not the jumbled one). The funny thing is the teacher showed a movie after we learned about him and it was "the other side of heaven" P.S. why sre the lds scholars always wrong? Thanks, Mike

Jason, After much thought I found that I agree ith you somewhat. I believe that the righteous to somewhat good will recieve a glory. I forgot that I have always known that because it is a teaching in the churhc. Of coarse the evill folks will recieve the lowest glory or become a son of perdition. I know that the peple that have tried there best and that wouldve recieved the gospel if they had adequite teaching of it wouldve recieved the gospel in full, that they will go to the celestial glroy. So good thoughts Jason. Keep it up! P.S. It still isnt that easy to get into the the celestial glory, but you are definately on the right track. :)

Well Dr. T the word showed up only sometimes. There were different ways in wich he translated. Simply adieu was the best I guess. Yours is my favorite. Topped me lol.

That site looks addictive. Beware! LOL all sites where you talk are addictive.

Thats really cool Doc T. I gotta try that.

Oh Im not saying that people always leave because of sin. Im sorry I didnt clarify. THough there is a large percent I know. I know people leave because of theology. Its a sad fact, but its true. I asked yu Jason because it seemd to fit because your arguments seemed vague and didnt quite sound logical. NO offence intended I just didnt understand them. It might be me. Im not gonna post hear anymore, but I want to say that I know that the gospel of christ is true and upon this earht. I know Im a part of it and that all tongues will here his word. I cant deny it. I could be tortured and still not deny the truthfullness prophesed in the bible and the BoM. Amen.

Who isnt a sinner. Everyone is. I was merely asking if he left becuase he wanted to sin. It fits doest it. I did ask didnt I?