Amillia

Lets just say the Lord gives you what you are looking for. If you want the truth, you will be given the truth. If you want your church to be the true one, the Lord will give you an assurance that it is.Humilty is key. JS asked and asked to allow Martin Harris to take the 116 pages. He was finally given what he asked for. Would you accept the truth if if didn't please you Jenda?

This thread is all over the place. What was the original topic here?

You are correct!

Christ is supposed to dwell with those who have been born again. So if there are those born again, they are in Zion.

Not really. I just became active again this week, after nearly two years of inactiivity.

See what I mean? He has it bad for Starsky! She hasn't even posted and he gives her leading role in his comments. Zion is lived, not chatted about. LDS live Zion. Who teaches your brats at nursery, primary, MIA, etc. Who watches over your scouts? Who comes to your home (at least once a year, prefferably Christmas time with goodies) and sees if your family is okay? Who organizes boring meetings and lessons each week so you will have two whole hours without your kids in your face during your day of rest Sabath? Zion! That's living it!

Starksy, What does that mean? You have a fixation for Starsky/peace...as some other males do here. I find it funny. No I am not fixated. Simply put, you, Amilia, used to go by the name of Starsky, and before that Peace. That I call you by a name you yourself used does not make me fixated. You can't get over her can you.

Oh, if you didn't hear it spoken of from the LDS, then it doesn't exist in the LDS church. Good one. And this forum definitely must represent the whole of the LDS church right? You really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to the LDS church. Did you happen to listen to the LDS conference this last October? I thought not.

If the CofC is the RLDS church today, then it was the break off from the church when BY led the people to SLC. That was a division of Zion. Why is that so hard to understand? You misunderstand like most people misunderstand. Nobody broke off from BY's group. The church fractured into at least 16 different groups. Each group claimed authority, some had letters from Joseph saying they were the right ones, others had blessings by Joseph, others just claimed it was their right as this specific priesthood holder. Whatever the claim, each claimed authority. You imply, as does Snow, that because BY took the largest group, that they were right. But might doesn't make right. It just makes another claim, no better or worse than the others. You are putting words into my mouth and taking other words I stated and putting a whole new meaning to them. Stop that! You state a number as if it eliminates significance or division of Zion. The number of splintered groups doesn't make the fact that they divided the church, any less true. Then you state that I imply (LOL) that numbers made the group which followed BY the right one. You are the one implying that numbers were significant. The right one was identified by God, not men and their claims. The people knew who to follow if they were filled with the Spirit to guide them. Where are all those slintered groups today? Where is the true Zion today? Have you ever heard the song, "We Thank Thee O God for a Prophet?" There is a line which reads: and those who fight against Zion, will surely be smitten at last. I think we have seen that happen with all the splinter groups.

Starksy, What does that mean? You have a fixation for Starsky/peace...as some other males do here. I find it funny.

If the CofC is the RLDS church today, then it was the break off from the church when BY led the people to SLC. That was a division of Zion. Why is that so hard to understand?

Wouldn't it be interesting to have the CofC admit they have failed to divide Zion and stand?

(let me preface this by saying that this is a harsh post, but it is what I believe) There were several reasons. 1. Joseph Smith, III, was only 12 years old when his father died, and was too young to lead the church. 2. Because Brigham Young was very charismatic. As a missionary, he brought a lot of people into the church, and they probably felt obligated to follow him. 3. Whistling Whittling Brigade. 4. He excommunicated all those who spoke otherwise. 5. He pulled off an excellent charade when he posed as Joseph Smith. Even going so far as to take JS's horse for the day. Those are the ones off the top of my head. If more come up, I will add them. Where is this church today? Is it still true to the restoration? If not where are the oracles and why would God let it fall apart after all that is being done wrong? The LDS church has flourished under the guidance of the Lord. Why can't you see that?

Thank you Ray. Another ray of sunshine on the board. You and Strawberry made it worth dropping in. "I'll be going now."

Thank you for showing me that someone around here can open a door without slamming it first in your face. This place sure has a lot of people with issues.

Peace, Of course it matters if Einstein said it. The story depends upon Einstein's credibility and stature to make it plausible and entertaining (no one would give a pitute if Bella Abzug's name were attached to it. And just the opposite of what you claim - it is an appallingly horrendous argument. It doesn't take a physicist to understand that the argument that cold is just the absence of heat, ergo God exists, is bunch of patooey. There is zero logic in the thought, coupled with the lie that a logical man (Einstein) is behind it make the whole thing a dishonest and manipulative work of bad fiction. You are so retarded.

I haven't a clue why, but this reminded me of Snowboy. "The commander of the huge C-141 transport plane was in a hurry to fly out of the frigid U.S. Air Base in Thule, Greenland. But everything was working against him. The truck to pump the sewage from the plane was late, and then the airman pumping out the tank was taking his sweet time. The commander began berating the lowly airman, threatening to have him punished. "Turning to the officer, the airman said, "I have no stripes, it's 40 degrees below zero, I'm stationed in Thule, and I'm pumping sewage out of airplanes. Just how do you plan on punishing me?"

I'm sorry Amilia, you're groining have to make more sense than that to offend me. What's all I got? Maybe the Einstein story was too much for you. Here is one more to your level. Why did the chicken cross the road? MARTHA STEWART: 'No one called to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the farmer's market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.' CAPTAIN KIRK: 'To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. ' FOX MULDER: (from the TV series, "X-Files") 'You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How many more chickens have to cross before you believe it?' BILL GATES: 'I have just released eChicken 2003, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, balance your checkbook - and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken. ' ALBERT EINSTEIN: 'Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken? ' SADDAM HUSSEIN: 'This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. ' GRANDPA: 'In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us the! the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us. ' BARBARA WALTERS: 'Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish its life-long dream of crossing the road.' RALPH NADER: 'The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV. ' PAT BUCHANAN: 'To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American. ' RUSH LIMBAUGH: 'I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross the road, and I'll bet someone out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? How much more of this can real Americans take? Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars, and when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money, money the government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross. ' GEORGE W. BUSH:' We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or it is against us. There is no middle ground here. ' AL GORE: 'I invented the chicken. I invented the road. Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented the application of these two different functions of government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring greater services to the American people. ' COLIN POWELL: 'Now at the left of the screen, you clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road. ' HANS BLIX:' We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed access to the other side of the road. ' MOHAMMED ALDOURI: (Iraq ambassador) 'the chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We don't even have a chicken. ' JERRY FALWELL: 'Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you people see the plain truth in front of your face? The chicken was going to the "other side. That's what they call it -- the other side. Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with seemingly harmless phrases like "the other side." ' DR. SEUSS:' Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed, I've not been told! ' MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.:' I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question. ' JOHN LENNON:' Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace. ' RONALD REAGAN: 'What chicken? ' BILL CLINTON: 'I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken, please? ' COLONEL SANDERS: 'I missed one?'

You are such a bull smicker roy. Blather blather blather. That is all you got.

I liked the fact that the prof was found to have no brain.

I received this as an email from a friend. It doesn't really matter whether it was Einstein who did it or not. Someone did and it is a great argument.

Subject: DOES EVIL EXIST??? Does evil exist? The university professor challenged his students with this question. Did God create everything that exists? A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!" "God created everything?" The professor asked. "Yes sir", the student replied. The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are then God is evil". The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor was quite pleased with himself and boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth. Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?" "Of course", replied the professor. The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?" "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question. The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or ransmit energy. Absolute zero (- 460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat." The student continued. "Professor, does darkness exist?" The professor responded, "Of course it does". The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present." Finally the young man asked the professor. "Sir, does evil exist?" Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. "These manifestations are nothing else but evil." To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light." The professor sat down. The young mans name --- Albert Einstein

what is your problem? Tanks a bunch for the info.

Please : need names

Jenda--so that means that water did not have a refractive index before Noah? Welcome all to physical lala land! Yes, Cal. I believe in a God so powerful that, if He created the heavens and the earth, he can change the physical property of same. Or, maybe there is an easy explanation for it. Maybe the conditions of having sunshine during a rain storm just never materialized. Nah, I would rather believe that God can do anything. B) Can He make a rock too large for Him to lift? Only if he is a house devided against itself.