Amillia

God is no respector of persons and we do not control him with our behavior or determin what he will give us. Those who seek a sign are considered covenant breakers. It is all issues of trust, expediency and commitment. What does this scripture mean to you? D&C 121: 45 45 Let thy abowels• also be full of charity towards all men, and to the household of faith, and let bvirtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy cconfidence wax strong in the dpresence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the edews• from heaven.

ROFL! Well I am on mod status and can't edit, so if you would like to correct my posts, have at it!!!

Mathew Calley had many powerful experiences and he refused to tie himself down to any format or schedule so that he was open to revelation at any given moment.

I think media has caused a lot of numbing of our senses, but in general there really is nothing new under the sun when it comes to dangers. At pre-school age my sister and I were nearly kidnapped by a sexual pervert who was working on the water mains on our street. He had a water works truck full of porn and used our chidlish curiosity to familarize himself with all the children in the area. At age 7 a friend and I found a new fangled photo from an instant camera (black and white) laying on the sidewalk to be found by us, which was a picture take of a guy's genitles. Of course we didn't know what it was so we showed it to my older brother and he told us it was a nasty. LOL At the age of 11 I was flashed by a weird teen under some bleechers on my walk to Sugar House. When I was 13 I caught a guy watching me through my bedroom window. He had a ladder up to my bedroom window. Thanks to the full moon I saw the shape of his head. When I was 16 my friends and I were chased by a crazy man in a car ~ through an ally. We just escaped with our lives by hiding in the viney hedges hanging over the fences. He road back and forth through that ally, even stopping so close to us we could hear him breathing and cussing under his breath. I really don't think anything but the media has changed. It has always been a scary world to me.

Gee, talk about the other end of the pendulum. Yes we might live fairly close, but our experiences are so different. I live in an area with many children who are in school and so we are averaging about 30 children per class room and that is too many. Where I grew up in Utah there were no tuff wars at all. The biggest trouble kids got into was sneaking into the teachers lounge and buying pop. We were not allowed to drink pop at school. I lived in 4 different school districts growing up. Hiland High, South High, East High and West High. West High was the worst for violence, but South was where I had to walk through switch blades and the wild girls wore no panties. East High was okay, but it had problems as well. Hiland had drug problems and the guys were all peeking toms. There was a lot of fornification going on there as well. So where did you go? Back then there was Skyline and Granite.

Are you kidding? Yes I would agree that technology has improved some things but has this made our children smarter and added to their creativity? I would have to say no and that our children sufferd a great deal within the school system of over crowded classrooms. They do not get as many hands on experiences as they did and computers have lead many people to become more sendentary. Drugs are more prevenant in school then before and so is sex. The mirrors on shoes??? In those days IF they got away with that all they would possiably see is a hole lot of panties. Panties are not even worn by many girls anymore...it's the thong. I believe that our children have it much harder today. Today many children with all of the new technology don't even know how to play and they are not allowed to be children. I remember when I would ride a bike all the time and it was because it was fun. Negitivity comes in the way kids are treated especially from their piers. It comes from the pressure that kids have to fit in. It comes on the acidemic achievement that is required and being placed upon them and teachers who have too many students. Am I to understand that you believe that school is a better place today then it was in our time? I don't ever remeber having the threat of kids shooting kids at school. Or being distracted by someoine using a cell phone during class. It has become such a place for anything but learning that some parents have resulted to home school their children. Our classrooms in Utah are far from being over crowded. There is seldom more than 20 kids per class. And computers are like a in-house library. Don't the kids sit down to do homework? That is what a computer is about, a major resource. My kids are skinny as rails and they use the computer lots, but it isn't all they do. My older kids went through the public school programs and they didn't get the sex or drugs because they chose not to. That wasn't because of the scout program because my boys hated the program and didn't participate. They just were good kids who found their fun in school dances and fun movies. The boys in my schools got away with using mirrors pleanty, and we had stupid staircases which had open steps which made it really easy for the boys to get their jollies. And believe it or not, there were girls back in my school days that didn't even where panties at all. Of course we called them the S word. I don't know any kids in my area who don't know how to play. They have skating parks, water parks, bike trails, and they like to get together to play games. You live in Utah don't you? The kids around here have band practice, soccer, football, track, school clubs like debate, skiing, and dozens of other things like that. And this is just what is offered in the schools. My sons have drum lessons, guitar lessons, karate lessons, and they love to ride their bikes when the weather is fair like it has been lately. Kids in every decade have had bullies. I was once beat up by a couple of black girls in high school. And when I was a kid I was chased home on occassion and my brother was pants and chased up our oak tree in front of our house. That isn't new these days. Acidemic achievement is sometimes harder on some. But that has always been so. I never had a problem with school, but my younger brother and older sister constantly struggled. Well I don't know where you grew up, but when I was in high school we had the blacks and the hispanic kids having turf wars in SLC. They had knives we called switch blades. They used chains, and anything they could drag to school and guess what? they didn't have metal detectors back then or zero tolerance rules. I had to walk out of school one day between two guys who were holding these knives out to slash whomever they chose. I have done both public and home schooling with my kids. The choices were based upon what my kids needed at the time. I don't see it is any worse today than ever before.

Jan 18 #6Darn, my neices are all too young. They are only in their early 20s.

Jan 18 #4I think you are right. I have just wondered why blacks don't leave the south and come up north where they are treated better.

Jan 18 #3Exactly. They aren't just a memory. :)

From what I have seen my answers would be yes, much of the time it is all about keeping them happy. The problem is that because not everyone like one thing you need to have a variety of things for them to do. In today¡Çs world I believe that there are enough negative things happening to our children. If a boy earns a merit badge then I feel that it is a very good thing for him to be rewarded for. What¡Çs wrong with a little positive attention? Also~ my nephew was talking about the kids of today. He owns his own business and says he can't get a kid that will be willing to put in the work effort. He says they are spoiled and lazy. This isn't the first time I have heard this complaint. Kids are taught these days that it is all about them. It has to please them, take care of them. The don't have a really sense of community. It takes a disaster like what happened down in St. George Utah for these kids to get a picture of reality. I believe it is programs like th scouting program which is to fault. They are made to think it is all about them getting positive attention. I think they would learn much better if they were given tasks which were not rewarded, except in the heart.

From what I have seen my answers would be yes, much of the time it is all about keeping them happy. The problem is that because not everyone like one thing you need to have a variety of things for them to do. In today¡Çs world I believe that there are enough negative things happening to our children. If a boy earns a merit badge then I feel that it is a very good thing for him to be rewarded for. What¡Çs wrong with a little positive attention? What negative things? Better schools, more activities than when I went to school. The girls even get to wear slacks instead of having to wear a skirt or dress where the guys could use mirrors on their shoes to look up your legs! They have better health and dental care, better equipment like computers, better everything. What is so negative about todays world that wasn't there even 100 years ago? What?

Jan 17 #3 Hey you guys have to try and get into the heads of the opposite sex. Consider they are just as messed up as yourselves and who knows what is really going on. NO ONE DOES!!!

Jan 17 #2 What a total heart breaker! Don't think negative thoughts and keep smiling, I think he will come around again. :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

The Traveler You say that even disrupting a Buddist activity makes one an anti-chirst. By thast logic then when Jesus made quite a point of disrupting the religion of the Pharasees (over throwing tables in the temple, calling them hypocrits etc) , does that also make Him an anti-christ? <span style=\'color:red\'>Jan 17 #1 And anti-Christ is an Anit-CHRIST. It doesn't apply to any other church or belief.

The Traveler You say that even disrupting a Buddist activity makes one an anti-chirst. By thast logic then when Jesus made quite a point of disrupting the religion of the Pharasees (over throwing tables in the temple, calling them hypocrits etc) , does that also make Him an anti-christ? Learn to use the quote system here will you?

I guess I do feel that people obedient to the do not commandments and obedient to the do commandments because of love, not guilt, are more likely to receive bigger spiritual experiences. My question was really posted because not all people are as fully righteous as that and I was trying to see if any folks here had a particular view on different types of people and which they thought was more likely to have a big spiritual experience. Your opinion here is a mile away from the truth. TBH I'm not interested in people here telling me how to live my life. I have zero plans to change on the hope that I might get a significant spiritual experience. I just thought it was an interesting question that might get a few interesting viewpoints. I was hoping the thread would develop additionaly beyond who might get an experience to what sort of experiences people would consider spiritual highs. There has already been an attempt by someone to go that route but I see little interest. Not to worry. Not all threads are interesting to anyone but its creator The question is, a spiritual high is what? Is it a moment? Or is it a life style? And if it is for only a moment, has it changed you towards a life style? And if it has changed you towards a life style, is it a high or is it a change?

Too bad there aren't a billion like you Traveler.

Yes and that is if we can judge by their reaction then both Cal and the Saddam Hussein supporter belong to the same political party. Why aren't you on mod status? You are so nasty!

In Georgia the state added to text books used in public school a sticker that said evolution is a theory. This last week a federal judge said the stickers must be removed. I see this as a direct assult on freedom and rule by democracy. The stickers were placed by elected officials. They were removed by federal judges that are appointed. I do not think the federal judges should rule against the will of the people or when states have president (Article X). BTW the ruling by the judge compaired the sticker to "Hate speach". The Traveler How scary our public systems are becoming. So out of the people's control. I totally agree that little by little, behind the scenes, the wicked are ruling.

You may look at it that way if you wish. The LDS missionaries have a message. That message is centered around what we understand is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not teach our view of Catholic doctrine, or Baptist doctrine, or anything else - just our doctrine. I have studied many faiths and had long conversations but you will never see me post trying to tell anyone what Catholics, Baptist, Hindu or anyone else believes. In fact there is much they believe that I believe as well. You will not see my try to set a doctrinal trap. I am LDS and that is the gospel I believe. If you do not believe as I do that is fine. If you want to tell me what you believe that is fine to. I love to share beliefs. But I do not believe the Anti-Christ have a live and let live attitude. For example I think they will try to get into our general conference and shout something during sustaining. I think they will try to prevent the building of our temples. I think they will come to SLC to the Main Street Plaza and try to ruin someone's wedding day. That is different that just belonging to a different religion. But I do not like someone trying to tell me what I believe. Nor am I that interested in what others believe that hides their beliefs. If you have something better then put your beliefs on the table if not that is whay I think you would hide it. For example I think there is a lot of evidence to support the Book of Mormon and I do not mind sharing it. But if some says that it does not prove the Book of Mormon to them. That is fine with me - until they use similar kinds of evidence to support something they say they believe. Then I realize I am not talking to someone that is honest with themself. I am not sure if you believe in the “last days” or not. I do not know if you believe that there is followers of the Anti-Christ among the Christians (wolfs in sheep clothing). In fact for all your post that I have read I am not sure what you believe (this topic included) – I think I have a good idea what you do not believe but then I am not sure. I am quite sure you do not comprehend my posts, especially on this subject. I am not sure if you know what you believe. Sometimes I think we could learn from each other but other times I am not sure that would be desirable. The Traveler I'm still trying to get a handle on just what an anti-christ is supposed to be. You seem to change the definition with each post. This last post makes it sound like you think an anti-christ is someone who annoys you--tells you what your religion teaches or doesn't teach, or someone that is rude and obnoxious--interupting meetings or weddings. Sounds like the anti-christ is really just an anti-social. I can't see how you can say this. An anti-Christ fights righteousness, but maybe you don't know what that is. It isn't just someone who is anti-social, though to a righteous society, it would be considered that also, but it would be founded upon being unrighteous. Why is it that so many try to make the spiritual meaning into a temporal label and definition. I saw the same thing happening on the Spiritual High thread.

Yes and that is if we can judge by their reaction then both Cal and the Saddam Hussein supporter belong to the same political party. Why does Jenda close the other thread because of verbal abuse and doesn't shut Snow up and Cal up? I am beginning to see a bigotry here.

Traveler : Me: We get all up in arms and war because of the physical insugence over in Iraq, but the real dangerous insurgence is as you have described here. These are silent, mostly unnoticed, and always accepted as it comes from authority.

What distinguishes a "spiritual" high from any other kind of high? I think I see a confusing of emotional highs with spiritual highs. They aren't the same thing you know.

Is it about keeping them happy? Do we spoil them or do we try and teach them that they will have responsiblities in the future and one of those responsibilities is to support their leaders even when they don't want to?They should all be taught to do swimming and service projects and not just show up when they want. Otherwise you haven't really taught them the valuable things. Christ once said that the Pharasee's do the showy things which gave them attention, but didn't learn the more weightier matters. Where would these girls fall in such an evaluation? Are they just learning to pick and choose what they will do because it is all about them and all about making them happy, or are they learning to look outside of themselves?by supporting and fellowshipping with the girls no matter what the activity. This is my complaint about the Boy Scouts program. It is always centered upon the individual boy and what he can do to get a lot of badges on his chest so he can pound his chest and say, looky what I dun. It is all about getting credit, rewards and attention just like the pharasee. They should all be taught to look beyond their own noses.

I would have a young men's program like the young women's program. I would try and train future father's and husband's instead of future campers (who learn to shoot rifles, bows and arrows, start fires, do arts and crafts, play).They should be getting lessons on how to treat women, parenting skills, finances, home repair and worth while things like that.