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Thankyou all, So what I got from this is, we are here for a mortal body and we are here to choose good or evil, regardless of our knowledge of God. But didnt we choose that already? Why is it necessary for a second test ? I chose Christ over Satan in the beginning. I knew good from evil then didnt I? I certainly knew happiness from sadness, as the scriptures attest: D&C, 76:26 / Job 38:7 Perhaps it's one thing to make a choice while you have the influence of God and his presence with you daily, and a sure knowledge of it. And perhaps it's another to make a choice under a probationary spiritual death (Absence of God), without a knowledge of His existence. So to be more specific, the answer to the question, why are we here... is, we are here to gain a physical body, and to determine for ourselves what we would like, good, or evil, and this is to be tested for a short period under the conditions of spiritual death. A kind of, next level test to our pre mortal test.

I would say that, the spirits In heaven made Satan, more than satan being tempted. Just like Hitler. The people made Hitler, they rallied behind his ideas and the more he said a certain type of idea, the more the people followed him. I would say satan was the same, he had an idea that thought was better than Jesus'. when God chose the other idea, the people complained to satan and further enforced what Satan had thought was a good idea, to be the only practical solution. So Satan, fought against God for his idea. He may have also thought that, the more the people follow hhim, the more influence he has.

I am not looking for a 'primary' answer to this subject. Just asking for some in depth thought. My thoughts have been around the plan of salvation but more specifically the purpose of Mortal existence. It does not seem so clear to me that the purpose of Mortal existence is fair or is what we think it to be. For example the scriptures say and the prophets teach that the purpose of this Earth life was to come here and gain a body and have mortal experiences such as: suffering, physical pain and death in the physical sense. They also teach that God ordained it to be a space of testing to see if Man will do what they ask of him. I think it is safe to assume other kinds of non physical pain such as emotional cognitive pains may have been experienced in the pre mortal existence and do not necessarily become a part of the purpose for us being here. So my question is: what is the point of this life for a person that knows nothing about Christ or God or their ways, lives their life and then dies and then perhaps they hear about it in the afterlife. If they were going to hear about it and accepted in the afterlife why did they go through mortal experience and why is this mortal experience so crucial to our eternal progression? Why couldn't I go through life without knowing God, then accepting in the afterlife. Seems there are different rules for those that are born into a place where Christ and his ways are known as opposed to those who know nothing of Christ. More to the point my question is what is the point of the mortal experience. Because it does not seem so clear to me that finding Christ and relying on him and keeping covenants and repenting in this life is the only way to enter the celestial Kingdom. I hope I am clear.

They committed the unpardonable sin, so they cannot repent because Christ did not atone for that sin. Therefore they live forever in their sins, the ultimate sin of all. I think that even if they could change, it wouldn't be worth it, because they cannot be redeemed. I believe some regret their choice. But ultimately their regret is in vain as it is to their own destruction and no avail.

To above comment. the priesthood power of God is not be used for selfish purposes. But is used for the aid of others.

I say that the President is correct in his interpretation and that it is your pride that is stopping you in following his council. Spa nights and other things are good. But the purpose of Mutual is to continue their learning about Christ, otherwise they are more likely to become "Sunday mormons". Have activities where you do what christ asks. Visit the sick, hungry, afflicted, poor. Going to an old peoples home and singing them songs is an amazing experience for a youth.

D&c 93:29-31 I need to say no more