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@LDSGator I think we pretty much agree on the principle, but disagree on the application. Let me clarify my view a little more. I don't think it would be wise for every parents to start homeschooling. I would say most are not well equipped right now to do this. But what I see with people refusing home/private school but also complaining is the same as what I see with a perfectly healthy and able person angry because his unemployment showed up 2 days late. the best teacher is a parent who loves learning and has an expectation of excellence.

This is the heart of this specific issue and why I say we bounce out of public school. I love critical thinking and reading opposing views. I spent a week digging through as much pro CRT stuff I could to understand it. the issue is introducing this too early.

At what age do I start telling my son he is racist and everyone and everything is racist? Do I wait till 6 or should I start now at 3?

They absolutely can and should introduce and invest time into addressing opposing ideas, even critically thinking about their own views and critically talking about racism and institutionalized racism. The problem with the school system making Critical Race Theory as part of the curriculum is that it isn’t really “critical”. Being critical of something is challenging and evaluating mindsets. With CRT, We aren’t evaluating whether certain things are racist, the conclusion is fixed. Everything and everyone is racist. If you are by definition being critical on this, you are automatically wrong. A parent that is homeschooling and isn’t offering sources of opposing views (at appropriate times, I would add) is failing. Not to say your parents failed, they had public school to pick up where they chose not to act (which is the purpose of school).

I am glad you, me and everyone else on this forum agrees! It’s good that the form in which you school your kids has nothing to do with this

I agree, which is why I would only challenge them. Public school is paid for and run by the government. Like someone who is choosing to be on unemployment instead of working, they give up their right to reasonably be angry if something doesn’t go perfect. If the free thing isn’t cutting it, maybe it’s time to put in some of your own effort. side note: Think of everything you learned in pre-school - 4th grade. Then 4th - 6th. Grade school is only EXTREMELY simple things. I understand many still don’t have the needed education, but teaching grade school topics is mostly just learning to add and creating learning habits.

When I see all these anti CRT protests at school boards, I want to challenge the parents to do private or home school. Public school is the easy and convenient choice… but is also in most cases the worst.

I agree completely! It just the choice of words I have a problem with. "I release you from this life" is similar to "I release you from this calling". I may be wrong, but if I, a Sunday school teacher, am giving the bishop a blessing, cannot release him from his calling no matter how strongly I feel I need to say it. It is a matter of authority, of which I have none over his calling. But again, if you are using the phrase "release" like releasing them from a trap or a curse, then I can see that... but in the instances I have heard of and witnessed, it seemed very apparent by how they worded everything that was not what they were doing.

It is specifically the word “release” I have a hard time. If you are approaching it like you have some authority over their life, like a President releasing someone from their calling, that is inappropriate. But in saying this, I remember the scene in Lord of the Rings The Two Towers where Gandalf releases King Theoden from the bonds of Saruman. I suppose if you view it like you are releasing someone from a trap or a curse, perhaps that would be more appropriate… but when I have heard people getting blessings of release, it tends to be coupled with statements like “you work is done here” which suggests it is like a calling

I’m fine with blessing them with a swift and peaceful death. I guess I don’t like the wording “I/we release you from this life”. Those were the words used by my uncle and words in the movie I watched. It suggests that the person giving the blessing has some authority to release someone from their life.

You know, I think I get what you mean. I was pulling my experience in selling solar and it is slightly different and doesn’t quite fit your comments. One thing that is so hard to get new people to understand (and even myself) is to JUST give them what they want. Often times the person will say “I want X, Y and Z” and then the person selling them the system will say cool! “I will get you ancdefghijklmnopqrstuvw and X Y Z”. All those extras overwhelm the person and they end up not buying from us because we made it too complicated. I got a call from a lady once who said she wanted to put solar on her roof but the last guy to call started talking about the specifics of the system and how it all worked and made sense. She blocked his number, reached out to us, and said “I just want to replace my electric bill with solar” and I said “cool” and sold her what she asked for. Nothing less, nothing more. I also once sold a guy a $70,000 solar set up entirely over text, probably 10 texts entirely. He knew what he wanted, I gave exactly that to him. my “craft” isn’t so much crafting something as it is building a relationship and helping them feel comfortable with the whole thing. The actual crafting of the material and installing of the system is something I have no say or experience in. I just check the boxes they say they want and help them feel confident and comfortable with the whole process

These would be adding additional aspects to the scenario, so no… they are exactly the same And you believe there needs to be more people like this?

Again, you are giving examples where precision has a huge affect on the outcome for the person receiving the offer. Let me go back to the contractor example. If you had two contractors bidding for the construction of your dream home and both buds were exactly the same except one of them elegantly engraves his initials by hand into all of the nails, would choose the one who hand engraves all his nails? Or the other who doesn’t? Is one more of a true craftsman while the other less of a craftsman because he doesn’t take time to initial all the nails ?

Great! Then that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about doing extra work that has no affect in anything. As he said before… “"When I reach the point where no additional benefit is achieved other than just because I could do it better"

Do these example affect the experience or ultimate health of the individual receiving the service?

This isn't really what he is referencing. He specifically said "When I reach the point where no additional benefit is achieved other than just because I could do it better". He is talking about doing work that does not matter just to make it look nicer for yourself and for no one else. He is talking about a contractor going through the framing of a house and sanding all the wood 2x4s to make sure there are no splinters. You are talking about doing everything to your best so the experience of the person is as expected. Like a contractor going through a house to make sure it is properly painted, even above the kitchen cabinets where no one would see the paint. One is about being morally accountable to your work. The other is just OCD.

I asked the same question on a larger forum here: https://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/73846-a-blessing-of-release/?tab=comments#comment-1210040156 There are a few insights in it some may find interesting. I imagine more people will share their thoughts since it is a much larger forum

This is actually hilarious xD I don’t know that That is how prayer works, sounds like a tongue and cheek comment by a grumpy old man on his death bed

Didn't want to make a separate thread for this, but it relates to the situation. My SIL has only been married a month and will be getting an annulment. She is going over to the house for the first time in weeks to get her stuff next week (she is bringing a cop so she won’t be in any danger). She is genuinely concerned that all of her stuff has been destroyed, thrown out, or sold. If that is the case, is there any right to press charges? Her whole life is literally in that house (her clothes, kids clothes, kids beds, memorabilia, furniture, etc.) I understand there needs to be some proof that it was owned by her and not jointly owned, but if she can prove that they were originally hers, is that enough? @Just_A_Guy you are a lawyer right?

My wife rotates between 5 Latter-day Saint films every Sunday. Today it was time for our 30th run throw of “Love Kennedy”. At the end *SPOILER* the father gives Kennedy a blessing if release. My uncle also “released” my grandmother and often talks about doing so when she comes up in conversation (my uncle is a bit of a strange person and often misinterprets culture and official teachings) Where does this come from? And what is the purpose? I didn’t find anything from official sources. I found one persons description that it was a way for a family to release an individual from this life as if it being released from a calling… but that seemed inappropriate. Is there any backing in this? Or was it just done once by someone of note and everyone was like “that’s cool, I’ll do that!” And it became a cultural thing.

Ya, she and her 4 boys have been living with her parents in their 3 bed mobile home for the past year prior to marrying this guy. They are going to help her get in to a place, but won’t be able to sustain the monthly payments. We aren’t in a place right now to help either. She is already on as many government help stuff as she can find. thanks!

That’s why there are a lot of organizations one can donate to where the money is being handed out to everyone. I’ve also heard the adage that whether we give or not is our test. What they do with it is theirs. I like the principle, but I’m too worried about efficiency and the proper use of funds to buy into it completely

found this quote from Elder Oaks in my notes by accident this morning. Not sure where it came from or the context… and frankly not interested in looking it up right now… …But anyway… ”questions are honored, but opposition is not”

I’d love to, but It would be immoral to form a lynch mob against a (man) child.

My SIL is in the family. She is my wife’s sister 👍