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    Hello folks :)

    Hey zil, it is indeed the Sombrero Galaxy! So beautiful. Thanks for the welcome.
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    Hello folks :)

    Thanks Sunday Glad to be here.
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    Hello folks :)

    Brand new here! By way of intro- I'm 33, was raised in the church and am a returned missionary living in Seattle. I left the church ~6 years ago, but I love, miss, and respect many aspects of the culture. I can think of no greater purpose than the pursuit of truth, and am dedicated to that purpose. So far, that pursuit has led me to a be a pretty devout atheist. I'm always up for civil discussion about any beliefs or topics. Nice to meet you all!
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    Why so few homosexuals?

    It's clear from your reply that you're not coming from an objective standpoint yourself. Not because your critiques of the hypothesis I put forward were unsound (they might be, or might not be), but because it's clear that you're coming from a place of assuming you know what's true, while searching for the science to back up your deeply held beliefs. The statement you wrote is very much the way your own opinion is coming across, as very subjective. I don't mean any of this to be unkind or disrespectful, but I think it's important for all of us to recognize our own biases, myself included. You seem overly quick to judge the motives of researchers who are looking at any reason the phenomenon of homosexuality might be anything rather than unnatural and some sort of perversion of the way it's "supposed to work". That's my perception from this thread anyway. Just for clarity's sake, what do you find to be unnatural? The physical act of sex between two people of the same gender? The emotional connections that many crave and share? Both? Is masturbation unnatural? Is oral sex? Bonobos engage in all of that behavior daily, do they also have unnatural desires? Can I ask what you think the alternative is? Why do people of every generation of every civilization feel this longing if there isn't some natural desire for it in some individuals. I would have no interest in having sex with a man, it's just not something that I find appealing. But some of my best friends DO find it appealing, and have since childhood. Do you have a more plausible theory than the fact that they naturally have that interest?
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    Why so few homosexuals?

    I think this only applies if you're considering sexual organs to be simply used for reproduction, and not sexual gratification as well. Sex serves a social function in addition to a reproductive one. Its a way of showing love and affection. Its certainly one of the strongest communications I know of, and thats not limited to heterosexuals.
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    Why so few homosexuals?

    Hello folks New here. I have to say Wade, I appreciate your wanting to approach this from a secular angle. Approaching it from a religious standpoint is absolutely ineffective for anyone who doesn't already share your beliefs, so if your aim is to make a difference for others, you're on a good path. As far as homosexual activity being weeded out of a population based on natural selection, there is some evidence to suggest that due to our particular breeding strategies, there could be an evolutionary advantage to homosexuality. The care that goes into raising young is directly proportional to how much resource is required to raise it, and how many offspring the animal has. Mosquitos have thousands of babies in their brief lives, and do nothing to protect them after laying eggs. Sea Turtles are the same. They lay eggs and leave them, and if the eggs are threatened, the mother turtle won't protect them (the idea being that since she can lay hundreds more, she is more valuable in the quest to pass on her genes than a few eggs). We as humans spend enormous resources on each child we have, and we have very few in comparison to many other animals. Since we have a gestation of 9 months, since our babies take incredible resources for us not only till birth, but for years afterwards, it is vital that they are perfectly suited for procreation when they reach maturity. One theory about the advantage of homosexuality is that it provides greater care for the other children, that having a gay uncle means more efficient and effective child care for others. This may be why homosexuality is seen in a number of different species, but always species which have relatively few young, where child-rearing is extremely important. As a reminder to some who have commented on this thread, the important part about natural selection is that the GENE is passed on, not necessarily the individual. So for instance, some marmots will exhibit altruistic and self sacrificing behavior in order to save the whole family. This would typically be disadvantageous if the individual surviving was the important part of natural selection. Since its the gene that needs to be passed on, self sacrifice is seen in animals who's close family is threatened, but not if its other random marmots. If you'd like a more thorough explanation about the theory, Richard Dawkins wrote a book about it called The Selfish Gene in 1970 something. Its a good read! This is just one theory of why homosexuality might be a perfectly natural phenomenon.