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Just through prayer. I don't see how others outside of here would see this post, I had to register to be on it. But I think through prayer we can know things and through reading scriptures and asking our Father in Heaven in prayer. I know the Gospel is true and like I said I don't understand everything. I feel that anyone who has questions or concerns can find out through prayer what is right, even if things may bother them off and on, you can always go back to that. Sometimes people just want understanding or to see a different view. Know one but the Lord really knows what the next life will be like. And I may be right about some things as well as someone else may be.I have already said that, you need to read everything.

Like I mentioned later, I don't really think that's what Heavenly Father's plan is all about. And like I mentioned, it is not something I usually am bothered about and like I mentioned, I have felt peace about it. Anyways, sorry about everything. I guess that's what fast Sunday does to me (just kiddling) Thanks for the advice.

How funny! I mean everyone is entitled to feel what they want. I mean we should be sensitive to others feelings.

everyone's feelings are valid. They are real to them.

So sad to see all the flooding, and the temple too. But good to see people helping each other. Prayers for those in need.

and if anyone feels similiarly, I hope that they know that they are not alone and that there feelings are valid.

I apologize if I seem to be coming across the wrong way. I have read about Heber C. and Vilate Kimball's experience in The Work and The Glory series by Gerald Lund. And I like the Church history and inspiration from those books, the scriptures, and other things like them. As well as from inspired songs, like hymns and The Mormon Tabernacle Choir. I know I don't know everything. I know our Heavenly Father's Plan is inspired and I know men can be sensitive and caring. And yes, in the next life it may be easier in some ways, but I do feel that this topic is a sensitive one for some people. I am sorry if I put down things that shouldn't have been put. I have felt peace in the past about this when I have prayed, but its not always something your will feel every second of your life. And some woman may not be as sensitive about it too. I'm not saying its just men. I have a very good husband, and I am grateful for that. We have beautiful children. I think people get so busy with everything that has to be done that they really don't have time to spend together, going on walks, talking, etc. And sacred things should be kept sacred.

I am not trying to say the wrong thing or that someone who can share her husband with others is wrong. Its great to be selfless. I don't need long moments of prayer, etc, like I said, I don't always feel this way. Men in polygamous relationships need to be extra sensitive. It is the men who I think need to be focusing on not being selfish more than the woman. A woman is told in a marriage to only be with her husband, while he can be with others. That technically is a violation of the covenant, but in polygamy it is allowed. There appears to be polygamy in heaven. Joseph Smitth, Brigham Young and others were sealed to many woman. i am not saying this is doctrine, but it just seems likely that God is sealed to many women and maybe that is part of the reason we need to keep Heavenly Mother so sacred. How can a woman spend an adequate amount of time with her spouse if he is being spread so thin? How are men able to communicate better with their wives if they don't work on it, then get more wives and our too busy going about their callings and trying to keep all their wives happy? What about the children? Brigham Young, at one point, didn't even recognize his own kid. Why give a man more than he can handle and more than he can provide for? It is selfish for a man to have more than one wife. And if anyone needed to live that law, I hope the wife wouldn't be told she was being selfish if she didn't agree, because that is not Christ-like. I'm sure there are blessings for obedience, but really, maybe God just designed his plan so that He could have as much sex with as many women in a legitimate way without having to have an emotionally close relationship with any of them. I mean look at how many "LDS" men love pornography. I'm not saying that s what Gods plan is all about, but it does seem a pretty elaborate way to get it. I know He has close relationships but being physical is not the same as having an emotional relationship and it seems that if marriages are crumbling on earth due to lack of sensitivity, lack of communication and addictions, etc, how is giving them more to deal with in the next life going to fix anything? Sure, have lots of wives, have lots of babies, populate lots of worlds. Men just have a hay day, I guess.(Ok, I don't always feel this way, but c'mon, I'm not the only one who has a brain)

I did say that I did not know all the reasons for a General Authority to do that, so I really don't feel that I am trying to cast stones or judge him. However, I feel that there can definitely be more sensitivity shown on this topic. I don't feel that it is wrong for a woman to have just one husband and for a man to have just one wife. Anyone, man or woman who does not have at least some concerns about polygamy is not normal. If no one wants to admit it would not be an easy thing, they are wrong. It is definitely in God's hands, not ours. I know that Carloyn Lynn Pearson has concerns on it and I'm not saying I know everything she has written about it and I'm not saying I am agreeing with everything, but I do appreciate her treating the subject with the sensitivity others seem to lack. And she has not been disciplined in the Church for doing so. She has been able to talk to her Church leaders about different topics and they are able to have the right Spirit with one another. And I think that that is beautiful. If a woman doesn't want to share her husband with another woman, I believe she should have that right without losing any salvation. If a man cannot treat his wife right, then he shouldn't be given another. I really don't know, like I mentioned before how things will work out in eternity, but I do think that women should be treated more fairly, as a whole. Really, there doesn't seem to be a good enough reason for polygamy on earth or in heaven. I think its understandable that it can be viewed as selfish. If less men were to make it to heaven then maybe only women who feel comfortable with it will have to put up with it. Maybe more men should be converted. Lol.

He probably wanted in and she felt she had to give in

Why would a woman want to agree to that?

Unfortunately, yes, you are right.

Why are so many men in and out of the Church spending so much focus on women in a way that is demeaning (pornography), hurts there feelings (pornography, wanting polygamy), hurting women & children (divorce-especially for reasons regarding affairs and pornography and other addictions and abuse) and why did/does God sometimes support polygamy? Why aren't men more sensitive, are they just wanting something physical? Does God just understand He wants something physical out of it too? Why aren't women's feelings considered enough and the well being of children considered enough? Why don't men and women just stand up and say that they are not going to have anything to do with pornography, affairs, etc. Why don't they just stay away from filth? Why do some active, serving, LDS women prance around in immodest clothing? Why don't there husbands do something about it as partriarchs , instead of condoning it? Why do some LDS women and men not see these things as problems that children should not be exposed to? Why do some active LDS people engage in inappropriate movies, listening to inappropriate music, etc? Why infect others with that influence? Why not prepare for a better world? Why was Emma told she would be destroyed if she didn't support Joseph's polygamist lifestyle? Why is the Law of Sarah a joke, in the fact thatA a man doesn't have to follow it? Why do LDS men joke about how they want more wives and physical things? Why can't they treat things more sacred? Why do they have to hurt women and children and focus on things that are so superficial and are not taught how to communicate, how to be patient , how to desire not to do evil and how to be committed? I'm not saying all men are like this, and women, everyone has things to work on too, but women and children often are hurt the most when these things occur. And sometimes women and kids are blamed for what the men do, when it is not there fault. Everyone needs to take responsibility for their actions. We all must answer to the same God eventually. People should not be seeking things that bring destruction to their soul and the souls of others. It just saddens me that the world has so many who don't seem to want to follow the Lord and that even God may not have a problem with polygamy. I think men should be more sensitive to what women and children feel. there was an older General Authority who's wife died. It happens. But then he remarried again for all eternity to someone else. Was it really fair to do that to his first wife? I don't know all the reasons, and everyone may like a companion, but it seems insulting, in a way. He could have lived the few years left and not made his first wife have to deal with it. Ofcourse that's not the intent, but really, there's no need for another wife.Especially for eternity. Maybe if men had to be sealed to one women, they would not like it, so why should they seek to joke about having more than one or why does God condone it in eternity? Seems to me, priesthood or not, men just want women and it makes no good moral sense to me. If we are taught to be patient and all that, then why in the world woukld they need 20 wives in heaven to populate all their worlds faster? I don't always feel this way, but seems that men and God's just just ify what they want and the women have to go along with that or they are taught they are being "disobedient", won't be as blessed, possibly lose their standing I thought men were suppossed to control themselves, but it seems they are promised and given much more than they deserve and the meek women are being taken away the little they have (in having to share one imperfect husband with a bunch of other women in the next life) And can you really blame the woman for feeling coerced in to having to live this way, a way, lets face it, she wouldn't have chosen, if it wasn't the only means she had to have her precious children be hers forever? And to have a husband? And he doesn't have to share her with anyone. Does this seem fair? I know I don't understand everything. But one thing I do understand, he will be sharing intimate relationships with others and she can only share a limited relationship with him.

I appreciate the sacred nature of the temple garment. I appreciate the instruction we are given concerning them. Because they are sacred, I would not want just anyone seeing them. Is it ok to remove them when you are a patient in the hospital and needing to wear the hospital gown? Then just put them back on when you are discharged, whether it be a few hours or a few days later?

I don't know why it did italics, but I just didin't think of changing it, but there is meat & meat substitutes, and people can put non meat proteins together to have a complete protein, the key is to have the right amount, which varies for each person

What a wonderful tribute. I have some special needs children, and I agree, that although there are challenges, they bring such a wonderful spirit and our a blessing in our home. I too have a nonverbal child. I believe these children , verbal and nonverbal, are so special and have been so vailiant and our protected from the adversary. I believe they have a special mission on this earth. I believe the parents & family that have a child(ren) like that to grace their home, have a special mission to do that and will be blessed. This life is about serving others and seeing beauty and joy in the simple things. I believe children like this our so in tune spiritually and help us focus on what is really important.

I am approaching this topic from a spiritual and dietetic perspective. Being in the nutrition field, I have learned the importance of nutrients for the health of our bodies, and how each functions and provides us with what we need. Everyone is unique, but yet, we are all human and need nourishment to grow, thrive and live. Our bodies are temples, that we have stewardship over. The Word of Wisdom helps us to understand how to take care of these earthly tabernacles. I think it is amazing how our body works. Carbohydrates, proteins, fats, vitamins, minerals, and water work together to give us what our cells need to perform their functions for us. Giving too much or too little of a nutrient can result in problems that could often be avoided. Having said that, protein, found in meats, dairy, eggs, nuts, legumes, whole grains, fish, etc, can be found in incomplete & complete varieties. Animal products contain complete protein. Rarely beans, like soybeans, offer complete protein. Other foods (except for fruits and fats, mainly) , contain incomplete proteins. By combining certain foods, such as whole wheat bread & peanut butter= complete protein. A complete protein contains all the essential amino acids to sustain us. Depending on factors such as age (stage of life, including pregnancy) , gender, heredity, activity level, etc, depends on how many grams complete protein a day our body needs. Protein is used to repair and build tissue, muscles, and cells. Dietetic professionals and other reputable professionals and reliable sources can help us know how much of each nutrient, like protein, our body needs. Just as they can help us know how many daily calories our body needs. We do need complete proteins on a daily basis. Also, Vitamin B12 is found in foods of animal origin (eggs & dairy count) and those who are vegan need a shot of B12 or a source to help them be healthy. The Lord has given us meat to eat, just as he has given us delicious, nutritious fruits, vegetables, grains, etc. and if we are wise, we can make sure we help build rebuild and strengthen our body every day.

She sent me a letter that said I needed to cherish my family, not be negative, and find out what I am good at, among some other things. She did put some nice things in to, but I thought she may have been sending it because of any concern she may have had that her husband was staring at me. I could have been wrong as to what her intent was, I don't think she meant to come across the wrong way, but I don't know why she would send something like that if she didn't have some kind of concern about me. She later said that she didn't mean it to come across that way, and that she was just thinking of something different than what I thought of, but her explanation didn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. Anyways, its all water under the bridge now. I don't know how much she knew about what her husband was doing and if she thought I had something to do with it, but i don't know why anyone would send a letter like that unless they had some other reason that they may not want to admit to.

The bishop did say I needed to not be irrational. I think that was before he understood more of what was going on. Its ok. I think things will work out with us all in the same ward. It has been an eye opener and learning experience for me. But thank you, I do appreciate everyone's help.

Bless your heart! I am sorry that that happened to you. I hope you have peace. And thank you for your advice. Its nice to know I am not alone, but I wish things had been handled better for you. Thank you again.

P.S. He had talked to both of them and he said he would talk to his counselor again. He accused me of accusing him, but i was only sharing the facts and my perception, also sharing that I understand I could have been wrong. Bishop did seem to be a little nicer after that. But still, what rules are there for how a Judge in Israel should be. I had already expressed I regretted to them and the Bishop that I was sharing this situation. Don't my feelings and experience matter?

I know Bishops can be inspired, and i am not trying to say anything wrong. So, I talked to my Bishop about this man who was staring at me in the church halls for over a long period of time and the somewhat chastizing letter his wife sent, and he tells me she meant nothing by it, that he had told him he hadn't stared at me and bishop says I was irrational. Am I the only one who thinks its perfectly normal to wonder what is going on when you had been repeatedly stared at and chastized for no good reason? Am I wrong to wonder if their is some favortism since his family is in the bishopbric? And to be treated sensitively? Not that he wasn't somewhat, but goodness, this is ridiculous.

The leaders of the Church have stated to avoid pornography in all forms. I know also that we are the temple of God, and thus should be dressed modestly, and any depictions of people, etc, I feel should be the same way. I really think the Lord expects modesty to be everywhere. We live in a telestial world, but are preparing for a celestial one. I can't see that there would be any immodesty displayed in any form there, so we should avoid it hear, as well, and be an example for others.

Its been said, that if someone repeats the same sin, that the former sins return. I am not your bishop, but maybe just be on the safe side, where you don't have to wonder, pray about it, and it wouldn't hurt to see him, but it may hurt if you don't. He can always guide you.

I am so sorry to hear about those experiences! They definitely should have been handled in a more sensitive way. You'd think people could offer more advice then just pray about it, but even well meaning people or not, they aren't perfect. I sometimes wonder why there seems to not be more thought given to circumstances like yours. Of course, prayer is a wonderful thing. There are some wards and bishops that are more compassionate then others and maybe can offer better advice. I'm so sorry. I hope you can hang in there, and maybe try again sometime later, maybe find out a ward that may be better for you & your daughter. God bless & good luck, I'm glad you have accepting people in your life. The Gospel is true, and the way back to our Father, but in the mean time, we have to deal with imperfection. I wish you & your family the best.