DennisTate

On the other hand....... perhaps we non-LDS can learn something from these verses: Romans 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to beconformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Romans 11:2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations.” Ephesians 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, And perhaps the disciples were NOT asking such a foolish question here: John 9:2 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

This is an extremely helpful list... .and I already quoted that link and some of the 13 clauses in a non-LDS discussion..... I would like to think that some of the readers might just be impressed...... I quoted number 10 into a discussion about the building of the Ezekiel Temple complex...... that may be reaching quite a few Jewish readers. "Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?" and here:

I am a Messianic Gentile.... not a Latter Day Saint yet...... but I think that quite a few LDS may agree that this is a pretty insightful description of the Life Review..... and how painful it can be to go through life in a selfish and irreligious manner. Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a03 3. The Life Review of Howard Storm

Actually.... I am skeptical as well..... because I feel that many near death experiencers have been shown events from a time line that already occurred....... and the real purpose may be to inspire us to make changes....... in order to bring in a vastly better time line...... to bring the world into the Era of Messiah more quickly than happened in those other time lines. Here is a section of Sharon Milliman's NDE.... that I am sure hoping can be avoided....... through national repentance and a general turning toward our Creator?

Thank you for expressing your opinion on this......... I am of the belief that former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Benedict did a great job of explaining what he was shown...... which to my thinking fitted amazingly well with chapter 13 of "Stephen Hawking's Universe." It was entitled The Anthropic Principle and introduced his version of the Cyclic Model of the Universe. https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

I just read that there is a similar plan in place in Europe......... as well as in Russia......... and one of the best counter measures to what George Soros has been planning for well over a decade....... could be a Utah State alternative currency unit of some type....... it could be in the form of Volunteerism Hour like the local currency in Ithaca New York or......... it could be a Dollar like Calgary Dollars, Alberta, Canada...... to make it easier for the Utah State currency to act as a buffer zone........ between the USA petro - dollar.... (which is the USA dollar)........ and a stable USA dollar. Mark TAylor..... in my opinion accurately predicted that the USA dollar would be strong and stable...... but if Soros, Russia, China and Europe..... do make an attempt on the value of the dollar........ the political left wing investors may tend to cooperate with them...... which will lead to a TRANSFER OF WEALTH...... to much more ethical and patriotic Americans....... and to genuine allies of America and Israel. Please do a search for this title.... and the name "DennisTate" .... for a lot more information relevant to this that may be a little too political in nature for your forum ...... "P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem...." This could also be an important part of thwarting Soros and his buddies in their highly unethical plans ..... "Could a real estate boom plus better Fed policy pay off USA national debt?"

Good points..... I have also wondered over the years if the star could have been an angel......... I just ran into an idea that to my thinking...... gives indirect verification for a major doctrine of the LDS community. https://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/a-of-f/1?lang=eng I have believed in a literal Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 temple complex in Israel somewhere since the 1970's..... and the description of that temple in Revelation 21 has it as so huge...... that there would need to be several other somewhat similar temple complexes put into other locations on the earth to act as a counterweight so that the orbital pattern of the earth would continue to be stable.

By the time coming when the least Christian will have a considerable John the Baptist calling on their lives.... I mean the time shown to near death experiencer Howard Storm.... around the year 2185 C.E. https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a04 I assume that at this same time..... feeble residents of Jerusalem will be rather like King David..... Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." My assumption is that just as John the Baptist was a unique individual......... not Elijah in person sent down on a UFO or angelic chariot.... so also.... a human being in these latter days will actually lead many Christians and Jews and people from many nations in a work that I do believe will fulfill the predictions given in the Catholic Bible..... Ecclesiasticus chapter 48.... I don't know exactly what is all implied by the restoration of the tribes of Jacob / Yacob..... but I am thinking that the full meaning will affect many, many nations. I suspect that the final Elijah will somehow prepare people to accept..... not a Messiah the Passover Lamb as fulfilled by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus..... but perhaps a Christian political Cyrus who will fulfill Isaiah chapter 45........ My apologies for whateve degree of error is there in my ideas on this.......? My theory on this fits with: I think that the man who I quote in post #6 named Eporu Ronald Alfred... has at least something of an "Elijah" calling on his life....... the time is coming soon when the least Christian will have a considerable Elijah calling on their lives...... Matthew 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

I could be wrong..... but I have came to think of the scriptures..... as being like old wine........ and the valid NDE accounts that include a Life Review..... as being like new wine......... that may be more effective at winning some new people to faith........ Those of us who know the scriptures well may tend to be less interested in these accounts..... the danger in this is that we may miss out on how useful they can be in some cases of outreach to new believers. Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

I agree wholeheartedly with Larry Cotrell........ I am actually not yet L.D. S. .. .I am a Messianic Gentile and I find that the atmosphere here is one of the most tolerant...... . and most well informed of all the Christians forums that I have participated on. Latter Day Saints seem to try to apply this basic principle to their outreach more than many other Christians do......... Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

One of the reasons why I am asking such questions is to make sense out of the times that near death experiencers have been shown a possible future..... that in our time line has been delayed and delayed and delayed......... Is it possible that the future shown to near death expereincer Dannion BRinkley in his 1975 near death experience..... might have been visions of the most recent actual time line........ which could mean that maybe you and I are living in a new time line....... that could in one sense be a fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter 37...... a resurrection of the dead. See post #2 from July 8 for the specifics on that .

Do a search for the Gihon Spring area on the Temple Mount........ it is quite interesting indeed....... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_L._Martin

And now with the possibility of their being two Ark's of the Covenant...... (the original from the time of Moses and a replica made in the time of King Solomon)... this allows for the possibility of a Jerusalem Third Temple on the Temple Mount near the Gihon Spring.... ( a nice distance away from either the Dome of Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque)..... and a separate Temple Complex based on Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48? So the Temple Mount Third TEmple could be built by Jews and for Jews...... and the Ezekiel chapter 40 - 48 temple could perhaps be more of a joint effort between both Latter Day Saints and Jews.......

I quoted the poll from this link into a discussion forum that many Jewish thinkers and writers are involved in. "The Ephraim Peace Plan" on Facebook. The reaction so far is quite positive. I replied to this post: I just found out they have a webpage: https://ephraimpeaceplan.wordpress.com/about/ EPHRAIM PEACE PLAN

I am a Gentile.... but I do build a Sukkot in the forested area near my home and I try to be under it at least for a little while daily during the Festival of Sukkot / Tabernacles. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4784/jewish/What-Is-Sukkot.htm What Is Sukkot? A Guide to The Jewish Holiday of Sukkot, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Meanings Behind it

I used to believe in the Soul Sleep doctrine....... (which would sound somewhat like your idea of the chip expiring).. .but then I read the NDE account of Dr. George Ritchie...... and I changed my mind! https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/george-ritchie.html

Yes....... near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava has stated that there are 17 angels with every human...... who have the capabilities of DVD and IMAX and much more...... and they videotape every instant of our lives....... from 17 different angles............ We humans may actually be much more important to G-d than we tend to imagine?!

That is an interesting comment........ After years of researching this topic I concluded that if there is a valid Life Review........ that leads to a transformation in the life of the person having the NDE... then certain promises in scripture have been met and the NDE .... is not merely an out of the body experience........ that in my opinion is at a lower level than the full fledged NDE that includes a Life Review. Howard Storm Ph. D.'s Life Review... fits with several scriptures...... Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a03 3. The Life Review of Howard Storm and in the Catholic Bible..... 6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls." (Baruch 6:6) http://www.drbo.org/chapter/30006.htm

Here is the original source for those images about the Ezekiel 40 - 48 temple complex. https://galgal.dreamwidth.org/tag/third+temple and.... https://www.christianforums.com/threads/ezekiels-temple-why-are-we-still-not-building.8007616/ Ezekiel's Temple: why are we still not building?

Here is a pretty amazing series of images related to a proposed version of the Ezekiel 40 - 48 temple complex.

You may wish to take a look at this to get a better idea of how serious this really is: http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/p-m-netanyahu-president-trump-has-a-4-3-trillion-dollar-problem.531929/page-2#post-1069652460 P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....

Well...... on one level...... America is facing a very public challenge in the form of a plan to devalue the USA petro- dollar and shift much of the trade of oil over to a Chinese currency...... rather than USA dollars....... There are 4.3 trillion USA petro- dollars in the hands of nations, companies and individuals who want to devalue the USA dollar..... and knock America out of its position as the only real military superpower at this time....... and know that the fact that over seventy percent of the reserve currencies of this earth.... are in USA dollars...... may be the most serious opening that they have available to them. I believe that the key to keeping the USA dollar strong and stable is for America and Israel to come together and cooperate on more and more projects....... construction of the Ezekiel Temple Complex would certainly give Americans and Israelis something in common....... Replicating Sorek large scale ocean water desalination technology in more and more areas experiencing drought or water shortages would be another good thing for America and Israel to cooperate on.

Just a Guy..... is an extremely encouraging and well informed writer here! He just left me in a state of awe when he confirmed that Latter Day Saints already know that they will spearhead the construction of the Ezekiel Temple Complex! In my opinion....... that is astounding!!!!!!

True...... and I also believe that the whole earth is all set up for a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit as Christians and Jews come together around the rebuilding of the Ezekiel Temple complex. Because Latter Day Saints already recognize near death experience accounts as being valuable....... you are in an excellent position to reach people that other churches.....who only quite the Bible... .will have trouble reaching!