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  2. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    3 hours ago, anatess2 said:

    So, I'm late to this party... but here's another brilliant move by AOC.  

    What's even so mind-mindbogglingly idiotic about this is... after AOC managed to "defeat" Amazon, she turned around and told her supporters that now "we can spend the $3 billion dollars we saved on infrastructure projects!".  She is beyond stupid.  The $3B TAX BREAK that Amazon was gonna get after they pay $27B in taxes... is now a "savings" for New York that they can spend somewhere else instead of paying TO Amazon.  Can you imagine the mental gymnastic necessary to come up with that brilliant math???  This is beyond stupid.  This is... I don't know if there's a word for it.

    And guess what... there's rumors that Bernie Sanders is going to pick her as his running mate. 

     

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    I agree that driving amazon away was shortsighted and stupid. The return would have been much greater than the costs.

    It’s also stupid that cities have to pay coropirate welfare for a corporation valued at a trillion.

  3. Best SOTU in living memory

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    4 minutes ago, Grunt said:

    Of course not.  You don't have a civil right to wealth.  

    I guess that’s where we disagree. My belief is that every baby has the right to not be born into poverty. Would a baby be better off not being born or living in poverty? A baby born into poverty is more likely to die younger, end up on prison and a host of other detrimental consequences.

    Thats where I disagree with the majority of pro-lifers. If the state is going to force a baby to be born then the state has an obligation to that baby. The obligation is that the baby has the same opportunity as any other baby. That would include not being born into poverty.

  4. Best SOTU in living memory

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    6 minutes ago, Grunt said:

    You are mistaken.  You're also ignoring what I type.  I very clearly said it was an extreme violation of individual civil liberty.  Serious question:  Do you not understand what I'm saying or are you being intentionally obtuse?  If the former, I'll try another example.  Please don't waste my time if it's the latter.

    It’s against civil liberty to abort a baby. Check. Is it also against civil liberty for a baby to be born into abject poverty?

  5. Best SOTU in living memory

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    9 minutes ago, Grunt said:

    No it doesn't.  That's the opposite of logic.  That's animalistic.  Logic desires a state where you can exist free from molestation.  That's why we have civil rights.  We are unique, individual humans with a right to exist.  That's why murder is illegal.  That's why abortion should be illegal.  Murder is the extreme violation of civil liberty.

    If I’m not mistaken when Conservatives bring up logic they mean logical for the country. According to that logic it’s not logical to have people with infirmities in the country. That means any baby with an infirmity should be aborted. It also means any person with an infirmity should be killed.

    Most pro- life people scream while it’s murder to abort a baby. In other words, they feel sad or mad about it. That’s a raw emotional argument.

     

  6. Best SOTU in living memory

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    5 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

    The logical argument against abortion is the same arrangement against murder of human begins..

     

    Logic actually says you should kill anybody who gets in your way in any way. That’s another example of how people use emotion to make laws and policy.

  7. Best SOTU in living memory

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    6 minutes ago, Grunt said:

    There are numerous.  The easiest one on this forum is because the Church says elective abortion is wrong.  Follow the Prophet.

    That whole argument is based on feelings and emotions.

    It always amazes me that Latter-day Saints on this forum are so against emotions. The church teaches you to believe based on feelings rather than logic.   That is expressly what the missionaries teach to investigators. It seems like pure hypocrisy to only use feelings when it fits you. I don’t know how you guys compartmentalize politics and religion.

  8. Best SOTU in living memory

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    9 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    Tell me, o great connoisseur of reasoned discussion: what did you hope to “learn” by posting the above; and how is this not an ad hominem? 

    If police officers ever show a bit of empathy and feel bad for the innocent lives they ruin. It’s probably just the same line of just doing my job or they chose to commit crime. When in reality it’s almost always due to the socioeconomic positions a person is in. That most police unions choose to ignore and perpetuate by their policy stances.

  11. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    2 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    Learning comes through debate, which comes from honest people making assertions and then backing them up through rational arguments while not deliberately constructing straw-man positions for their adversaries.  Sadly, you have already written a number of things here that are patently false, and attributed positions to people that are not substantiated by an honest reading of their posts.

    When one’s counterpart in a discussion/debate proves himself to be both spectacularly uninformed and cynically dishonest, then yeah; debate becomes a dog-and-pony show and “winning” is all that’s left.  

    You previously stated the following, “I win.” Then when I state it’s not all about winning you spectacularly back track. That’s the most amazing back track since DJT back tracked on the shut down. You’re a serial back tracker, master of misinformation and astonishly dishonest poster. Just because you disagree with my posts doesn’t give you the right to lob ad hominem attacks. You don’t want to learn or win you really just want this forum to be an echo chamber. If you really wanted to learn you’d go to a forum with divergent thinking from your own. This forum is an echo chamber on par with Breitbart and you’re the chief perpetrator of said echo chamber.

  12. Best SOTU in living memory

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    8 minutes ago, Grunt said:

    @mirkwood may be a JBT, but he's 100% correct.  Emotion isn't an argument.

    There needs to be a blend between emotion and logic for any good solution. I discount the argument that emotion shouldn’t play a part. The only time most conservatives use emotion is in regards to abortion. They suddenly think emotion is the end all be all. You can’t scream to the roof tops that only logic should be used in policy making then rely 100% on emotion to argue against abortion.

  13. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    8 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    I note that you’ve abandoned your previous allegation about tax reform beingn a Trump-crony-giveaway.  You’ve also slithered away from my points about theft being theft regardless of whether *I’m* the one being stolen from, and about the role of accumulations the capital in a free market.  So . . . I win, I guess?

    As for your most recent post:  Those are some faulty inferences about *me* for *you* to make.  I limited my comment to a specific congresswoman who made a particularly harebrained proposal.  And who, by the way, IS more economically privileged than myself. 

    You just stated your problem perfectly.  To me forums are more about learning than winning. That must be the lawyer mentality coming out in you. Only a simpleminded person would choose winning over learning.

  15. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    9 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    *Shrug* My tax refund nearly doubled this year, and I’m far less economically privileged than that ditsy dilettante AOC.

    Just because she’s 28 and a woman doesn’t make her ditzy. I again question your position as a prosecutor if you think all young women are ditzy and gays are somewhere on the continuum of evil and predators. Those are some faulty inferences for a prosecutor to make.

  16. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    16 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

    :: snickers:: 

    I'm pro choice, pro gay marriage, anti death penalty, pro gun, anti war,  and was in the ACLU for years.  

    But I do like how you think I'm a conservative because of my views on economics-so thank you.  Social conservatives think I'm a liberal. 

    I know I’ve read a lot of your posts. Just wrote that because I didn’t like your coarse attitude in your prior post.

  17. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    14 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

    Thought so.  Since you've only been paying attention for around 10 years, your statement "This is the first time in my life I’ve seen new ideas" is understandable and makes sense.

    You might want to avail yourself of a bit of history.  We've seen encroaching socialism before.  There is absolutely nothing new happening with Bernie, or AOC.  I figure the more you read about the history of human effort to advance socialist elements, the more you'll come to understand that it's really not a good idea.

    That post really tells me nothing. It just shows that you are making an assumption that I’m unschooled and unread. 

    As far as socialism: there is socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for the poor as MLK jr. would say. The Trump tax bill was socialism for the rich. Do you really believe that tax cut was more than just a give away to him and his friends? If you believe that maybe it’s time to diversify your news consumption. You should atleast hedge your bet on news consumption just by the off chance that you’re being told a load of crap.

    The last time we had a socialist president was FDR. He ushered in social security and a number of other popular programs. The next President we get will be a socialist and will usher in more popular policies. DJT is atleast a little concerned about the prospect given his mention of socialism in the SOTU.

  18. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

    Oh, how I love this post. Like all leftists, you fail to comprehend that people who disagree with you actually care about climate change, working class people, and healthcare. Thank you for falling into a cliche. 

    I believe in climate change, but unlike people on the left I think it'll hundreds of years to impact the world. 
    A "living wage" is a myth. Learn some basic economics. Basic, basic economics in your case. 
    Her ideas would make everyone poor. Like all other leftists, you would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich. 

    You made my night. 

    Unlike you I don’t fit into one neat political label. I like some things both the right and left do. 

    When every scientist is saying climate change is real and is having an immediate impact I tend to take note. I use to be a denier to then I started listening to the experts. Just because climate change isn’t tangible doesnt mean it’s not happening.

    There are many different theories of economics. That includes some supporting leftist economic policies. Instead of just looking at basic economics maybe you need to become a little more nuanced and complex. To fully understand the basics you need to understand more complex theories. The problem is that people saying just follow the basics doesn’t end the argument it just shows that the person lacks depth of mind.

    As far as the poor being poorer and the rich being less rich I say the following. There is a real problem when people can’t afford insulin and the filthy rich are buying their tenth yacht. There is a real problem when teachers have to buy their own school supplies and the rich are buying their tenth mansion. I can go on and on with examples. I don’t argue that the rich shouldn’t be rich. There still going to be filthy rich under any tax proposal Ive heard. There just needs to be less inequality and more economic justice. I’ve never been more afraid of anything than a billionaire is afraid of being a hundred millionaire.

  20. Best SOTU in living memory

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    On 2/6/2019 at 6:13 PM, mirkwood said:

    Yes let's just let those druggies have short sentences.  The sooner they are back on the streets breaking out your car window to steal your stuff, kicking in your back door and stealing all your stuff,  taking your mail and committing credit card fraud and forgeries on your accounts the better.  Yea, drugs, the victimless crime.

    You don't serve 5 years for simple possession.  Quit drinking the kool aid.

     

     

     

     

    Says the police officer who doesn’t want to feel bad about all his nonsensical arrests.

  21. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    5 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

    “New and fresh”?

    Theft, murder, and radical veganism are literally as old as Cain. 

    I can venture to guess you don’t make ten million a year and/or are worth 50 million. Her tax ideas wouldn’t touch a penny more in your pocket. If you listen to right wing pundits they may have you thinking it would affect you. It won’t that’s just scare tactics by right wing punditry.

  22. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

    May I take a guess that you're in your 30's, and started paying attention to politics somewhere in your 20's?

    Tell me the new ideas that were brought forth prior to Bernie Sanders and AOC. I’m tired of the same ol’ same ol’. We need radical ideas that will restore America to the people. I’m tired of the filthy rich committing highway robbery on the people.

  24. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    On 2/8/2019 at 8:21 AM, Godless said:

    Say what you want about Pelosi, but she knows how the game is played. Some of these freshman legislators came to Washington to play checkers, not chess. I admire their enthusiasm, but it's important to understand that DC typically doesn't suffer idealists for very long.

    So you recommend that freshman legislators just go to the back of line and wait their turn? If that’s done the Democratic Party will remain stagnate. This is the first time in my life I’ve seen new ideas. The important part is to have the people behind you. Most of the ideas have the majority of American support. It’s refreshing to see something new and fresh.

  25. Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

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    I’m glad God has mad you the arbiter of real news for the forum anatess. You can’t help yourself no matter what you post your extreme bias shows. The stuff you post is the most partisan I’ve ever seen. It’s not truth that you post — it’s pure bias. 

    Where do you come up with this “news”? It’s totally inaccurate and mischaracterizea the whole resolution. Just remember most people will believe what you post as is seen in this thread. I would recommend posting both sides to give people a fair shake.