mrmarket

So Sinema isn’t such a terrible person even if she is an open bisexual exmormon I guess as for voting for Romney???? I didn’t vote for him why did you fling that comment at me? In defense of Romney though, what was he supposed to do? You know if he tried to help or influence the church at all he would be accused of politicking for Mormons or interfering with the churches operations. I’m most sure either case would have happened.

Agreed. Probably completely impossible to control this

Yea I don’t watch that show- from what I heard it pretty much is soft porn. as for the rest of it sounds like the church didn’t keep folks in the loop in a timely manner? Am I reading that right?

For 65k missionaries that’s like ~$384k per head. Good thing this was planned for that is pretty pricey.

What?

And for those of you picking up your missionary who is inbound early don’t be like these folks. Too bad we get persecuted enough and now we hand them ammo to do it with https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/23/21191288/missionaries-airport-mormon-lds-latter-day-saint-leaders-coronavirus-covid19

I see this all the time and you probably also do with the "go fund me" pleas on FB for people who had a sudden death of a family member esp Dad who was the bread winner. At the going rate of about $18K to bury someone on the cheap it isnt a far stretch to say most Americans cannot cover that with any money they have much less what is in their checking/savings. I meet with potential clients every day and about half are out to get themselves financially rescued. Average person I see has maybe between $500-$1000 in savings and $40-50 in a 401K/IRA at best. I do my best to help them with a plan of sorts but there is nothing there to manage. Mormons/non-mormons both suck at managing money so yea I can believe the old woman now widowed who has paid her tithes every month is one mortgage payment away from homelessness. I cannot speak to all the mistakes made along the way, but I know of several many faithful members make (because I see them) make which are absolute wealth destroyers. The heathens just do other things with money which are not fiscally smart. Does this justify using fast offerings for rent and mortgage payments? Not for me to judge, I just know it happens a lot.

That response is for omega master I’m sure. He is the one who said it is not the intended use of the funds.

I realize there are audits. lets say they do write a check for a mortgage payment and it is against the rules. Do we go get the money back? Omega master stated there was no training so I’m at a loss as to how this gets administered without people losing lots of fast offering money. I suppose the losses are minimal and it is just a cost-effectiveness issue. Probably not worth the time to train someone.

Well if there are bishops doing that and it is against the rules probably nothing can be done to fix it.

I just looked it up- yea that’s what he used

Ok thank you

Do you mind posting each of my quotes in full context please? Those snips may not accurately portray what I actually said.

It does say sufficient in the storehouse, not a continuous stream. I get what you are saying though.

Take a lude. Seriously you need to yell in caps? Grow up

Page 7 Furthermore, I want to say to you, we may not be able to reach it right away, but we expect to see the day when we will not have to ask you for one dollar of donation for any purpose, except that which you volunteer to give of your own accord, because we will have tithes sufficient in the storehouse of the Lord to pay everything that is needful for the advancement of the kingdom of God. I want to live to see that day, if the Lord will spare my life.

i beg to differ -page 7 https://archive.org/stream/conferencereport1907a#page/n7/mode/2up

I personally know at least a dozen people who had mortgage payments and power bills paid for by the church. Part of my profession is to help budget. This info was from my clients when determining how to survive the next recession. Also my brother who was a ward clerk in the Midwest wrote dozens of checks for the same thing. Probably not what it was meant for but it is what happened.

Where in my post did I criticize the church? Discussion was ongoing about what constituted a rainy day. I merely provided empirical evidence from the mouth of the fund manager himself as to what it had been used for in the past. I think you are assuming way too much. if hoping they use it to help someone is being critical then so be it. As the church does not provide transparency as to exactly what the fund is for I dont see how we are not allowed to speculate.

By the end of april it will be about 30k full time missionaries.

Elder holland a few years back stated the church would have 100k missionaries in the field by 2019.

We can look back to the recent past to see what qualifies as a rainy day for the church as it relates to the ensign peak fund. As of the time this was brought to light in the past few months, the fund manager has acknowledged there have been zero expenditures for charitable purposes. During the 08 financial crisis, they did not use it to bail members out of financial hardship in any way. There were two major expenses the fund manager and the church pr folks have acknowledged happened. One was a $1.5Bn bailout to the city creek mall and the other was $600mil to the church insurance company beneficial life. Perhaps this time around wll be different but there wasnt much help handed out during the last rainey day. I hope there will be help available this time for those who need it.

I need it spelled out. Mind helping out here or just going to be your usual abrasive self?

You should see ypur bishop. In my ward they have made mortgage and health insurance payments for people several times out of fast offerings. That is what it is for.

What exactly are you trying to say? You bold three portions and follow up with "pres nelson"